How does one thicken Nebari?

[Cypress]

Once nebari are exposed in a bonsai pot, will they thicken/develop. OR do nebari need to be beneath the surface of soil (lets say while a tree is plated in the ground) for them to really thicken quickly?

And one third question, what role does root pruning play in the development or thickening of nebari if any at all?

Thanks so much all!
-Mike

 

[Cypress]

Hellooo? Anyone out there?

 

[Brian Van Fleet]

Hellooo? Anyone out there?

Here's a question for you: what did you do in the 24 hours between those posts to seek the answers to your questions?

They are as follows:
1. Yes, more slowly.
2. Roots thicken faster underground than above.
3. Roots grow somewhat like branches. They extend and fork at the tips, and bulk builds behind them.

Patience and study is important in this art. Iirc, you bought a big maple, talked for a day or two about being patient, then maybe chopping, then maybe layering...then, suddenly, it was chopped. Then 2 threads about chopping down a juniper, with most advising against it...then a new thread and it was done. I understand and applaud your enthusiasm...but...

May I suggest:
1. reading some basics on horticulture (there is a right season for everything, and you're going to learn it...its up to you to determine how painful and expensive you want it to be).
2. reading and studying basic bonsai styles, techniques, and principles. Look at lots of photos.
3. if you're really coming here looking for advice...take it, or the responses will start to come few and far between.

kind regards,
BVF

 

[JudyB]

he's right you know....

Hi Mike,
/ Harsh as it may seem to you, the reason BVF is telling you these things, is so you will have a smoother learning curve. We all were where you are when we started out, and most of us got overly excited, and killed some trees with our enthusiasm. You have an opportunity to ask questions of knowledgable people how to go about doing things in the right way, and mostly when the right time to do things is (a very important part).

You seem to be interested in asking the questions, but not listening to the answers. Most anyone in this hobby is glad to see another person succeed, and we all love having more folks doing bonsai. Spend your fall looking for decent (and on sale!) nursery stock for your collection, then you'll have some things to start working with in the spring.

 

[Cypress]

Here's a question for you: what did you do in the 24 hours between those posts to seek the answers to your questions?

They are as follows:
1. Yes, more slowly.
2. Roots thicken faster underground than above.
3. Roots grow somewhat like branches. They extend and fork at the tips, and bulk builds behind them.

Patience and study is important in this art. Iirc, you bought a big maple, talked for a day or two about being patient, then maybe chopping, then maybe layering...then, suddenly, it was chopped. Then 2 threads about chopping down a juniper, with most advising against it...then a new thread and it was done. I understand and applaud your enthusiasm...but...

May I suggest:
1. reading some basics on horticulture (there is a right season for everything, and you're going to learn it...its up to you to determine how painful and expensive you want it to be).
2. reading and studying basic bonsai styles, techniques, and principles. Look at lots of photos.
3. if you're really coming here looking for advice...take it, or the responses will start to come few and far between.

kind regards,
BVF

FIRST off, i tried to look up articles on nebari development over those 24 hours.

SECOND, I never chopped a maple, I have a tall happy Japanese maple sitting next to me right here.

THIRD Nobody replied to my Chinese juniper thread at all, so I did what I wanted to do to my tree, which brings me to my next point: They're my trees. So don't worry about it so much.

Don't talk to me like a child Brian, I have never been so rash to you, and in the past you've been very helpful and respectful. I hope we can continue a helpful and respectful relation. I'm a beginner, I'm sorry if I did offend you for some reason. I'm just learning the ropes right now, and I'll work on my etiquette.

Thank you
-Mike

 

[Dirty Nails]

Wow, I think you just lost the chance of ever getting help from Brian again. That is your loss, he is brilliant, helpful and kind.

You need to take a big old gulp of humility friend-o.

 

[Brian Van Fleet]

FIRST off, i tried to look up articles on nebari development over those 24 hours.

SECOND, I never chopped a maple, I have a tall happy Japanese maple sitting next to me right here.

THIRD Nobody replied to my Chinese juniper thread at all, so I did what I wanted to do to my tree, which brings me to my next point: They're my trees. So don't worry about it so much.

Don't talk to me like a child Brian, I have never been so rash to you, and in the past you've been very helpful and respectful. I hope we can continue a helpful and respectful relation. I'm a beginner, I'm sorry if I did offend you for some reason. I'm just learning the ropes right now, and I'll work on my etiquette.

Thank you
-Mike

1. Good to invest time in studying. If you are having trouble finding some reputable resources, we'd be happy to direct you there.

2. When you said: "...I actually ended up chopping it to the stump to see if the mother JM will sprout anything..." In post 13, I took it to mean you chopped it to the stump.

3. People did reply to your question about junipers back-budding...one of at least 2 threads you initiated on the topic, and nearly unanimously you were advised against it for days before your posts confirming you did it anyway.

Which takes us right back to my initial response to your thread. I do wish you good luck in this fascinating hobby. Read, study, and follow the advice of those who have trees you admire.

v/r
BVF

 

[Cypress]

1. Good to invest time in studying. If you are having trouble finding some reputable resources, we'd be happy to direct you there.

2. When you said: "...I actually ended up chopping it to the stump to see if the mother JM will sprout anything..." In post 13, I took it to mean you chopped it to the stump.

3. People did reply to your question about junipers back-budding...one of at least 2 threads you initiated on the topic, and nearly unanimously you were advised against it for days before your posts confirming you did it anyway.

Which takes us right back to my initial response to your thread. I do wish you good luck in this fascinating hobby. Read, study, and follow the advice of those who have trees you admire.

v/r
BVF

1. Yes, sorry my confusion, that was a a JM 'Shaina' that I tried to air layer. it failed. I chopped it to the stump. It died. It happens. I have another promising JM I'm working with now I thought you were referring to.

2. People did reply to the chinese juniper backbuding thread which I GREATLY appreciated but I had posted another thread about trunk chopping and had no response for 2 days: http://bonsainut.com/forums/showthr...in-the-season-to-trunk-chop-a-chinese-juniper

So, that's what I was referring to. That's why I went ahead with what I saw was right for my tree

This is a beautiful art and I hope that you will continue to share your wisdom with me. I am sorry if I offended you in any way. But i will develop my trees as I see fit and if people want to criticize me or tell me I'm wrong, then I do not care to hear from them. Positivity accomplishes much more than negativity... and I may be a beginner, but Ego is a dangerous thing. I'm trying my best to enter this community with humility. And that's the best that I can do for now.

Thank you Brian for your words of wisdom.

 

[Redwood Ryan]

2. People did reply to the chinese juniper backbuding thread which I GREATLY appreciated but I had posted another thread about trunk chopping and had no response for 2 days: http://bonsainut.com/forums/showthr...in-the-season-to-trunk-chop-a-chinese-juniper

So, that's what I was referring to. That's why I went ahead with what I saw was right for my tree

I think another part of the problem is the whole patience thing. If you can't wait 2 days for a response, then you're maybe bonsai isn't the best hobby for you, it's even more of a waiting game

 

[Cypress]

Negativity?

I think another part of the problem is the whole patience thing. If you can't wait 2 days for a response, then you're maybe bonsai isn't the best hobby for you, it's even more of a waiting game

WOOW, Talk about negativity? "If you can't wait 2 days for a response, then you're maybe bonsai isn't the best hobby for you" You know nothing about me and that was a personal insult.

I don't need bonsai snobs telling me I'm not cut out for it.

 

[Cypress]

Negativity?

I think another part of the problem is the whole patience thing. If you can't wait 2 days for a response, then you're maybe bonsai isn't the best hobby for you, it's even more of a waiting game

WOOW, Talk about negativity? "If you can't wait 2 days for a response, then you're maybe bonsai isn't the best hobby for you" You know nothing about me and that was a personal insult.

I don't need bonsai snobs telling me I'm not cut out for it.

 

[Cypress]

I made that cut because it's what I wanted for the tree, not because I'm impatient. The tree will thrive, I know it. I've joined this forum to learn about the art of Bonsai and to gain tips and guidance from those of you who are more experienced in Bonsai. I deeply value each persons opinion, but I make my own decisions at the end of the day. Do not criticize me for that or tell me to do something else with my time

 

[fourteener]

I made that cut because it's what I wanted for the tree, not because I'm impatient. The tree will thrive, I know it. I've joined this forum to learn about the art of Bonsai and to gain tips and guidance from those of you who are more experienced in Bonsai. I deeply value each persons opinion, but I make my own decisions at the end of the day. Do not criticize me for that or tell me to do something else with my time

With every post you continue to add to the issue... "I want advice, don't tell me what to do, I'll do what I want." If your one of those people who demands to learn from your own experiences solely, please do.

 

[AlBooBoo]

Really sure no one wants to insult you here man... unless you are looking for insults..

You have been here longer then me but i would suggest being a bit more humble when we are so lucky to have a site like this to ask for guidence and other people wants to share they`re experiences with us.

Give respect to earn respect

 

[Redwood Ryan]

WOOW, Talk about negativity? "If you can't wait 2 days for a response, then you're maybe bonsai isn't the best hobby for you" You know nothing about me and that was a personal insult.

I don't need bonsai snobs telling me I'm not cut out for it.

Really?! You couldn't even wait 2 days for a response. TWO DAYS. Bonsai is all about patience. How was that a personal insult when it's just a fact. You rushed it.

I'm not a "bonsai snob" either, take a chill pill dude.

 

[Redwood Ryan]

Also, not sure why I threw the "you're" into that post....

 

[Redwood Ryan]

I made that cut because it's what I wanted for the tree, not because I'm impatient. The tree will thrive, I know it. I've joined this forum to learn about the art of Bonsai and to gain tips and guidance from those of you who are more experienced in Bonsai. I deeply value each persons opinion, but I make my own decisions at the end of the day. Do not criticize me for that or tell me to do something else with my time

Well shoot, if you knew the tree would thrive from the start, why'd you come here and ask us bonsai snobs??

And it's not a matter of "telling you to do something else with your time", it's a matter of learning to be patient. If you can't wait 2 days to get a correct answer about whether or not to proceed with a life or death procedure on you tree, how are you going to wait long enough to see nebari thicken?

 

[ABCarve]

Well shoot, if you knew the tree would thrive from the start, why'd you come here and ask us bonsai snobs??

Maybe.....he just wants an audience. I don't know but....it's been known to happen.

 

[iant]

The title of this post 'how does one thicken nebari?' is a little like asking 'how does one grow a tree to be a bonsai?' More specific questions usually bring better responses.

 

[Cypress]

Well shoot, if you knew the tree would thrive from the start, why'd you come here and ask us bonsai snobs??

And it's not a matter of "telling you to do something else with your time", it's a matter of learning to be patient. If you can't wait 2 days to get a correct answer about whether or not to proceed with a life or death procedure on you tree, how are you going to wait long enough to see nebari thicken?

Ryan I am asking you to please stop insulting me. You told me that maybe bonsai wasn't the hobby for me. I take offense to that. That's why I told you you are a bonsai snob. I did my own research outside the forum in those 2 days. It's my tree, not yours. I did what I wanted for my tree. And was told I was wrong. This is my last post in this thread. I never meant to start any sort of silly internet squabble. I want this to be a productive, positive, and welcoming community, and it seems like everyone's gaining up on me here.

Wish you all the best Ryan.