This is a subject I have preached on for some time now. I think you're very high, I would almost guess about 1/2 of a percent based on the following observations.I'm just curious. About what % of bonsai enthusiasts do you think visit bonsai sites on the Internet? I'm guessing a pretty low number - maybe 20%.
Thats true and the number is dropping. lately i have noticed that many local subscribers are not going to keep on ordering the magazine due to the "poor quality, uninteresting topics and the republishing of old articles.However, many bonsaists don't even subscribe to Bonsai Today either....
Kinda off topic and discussed already elsewhere....however since you brought it up, the number hasn't dropped at all, in fact it is up from last year according to Wayne. It will most likely be up again this year as new bonsaist discover the magazine. What are you basing your presumptions on?Thats true and the number is dropping. lately i have noticed that many local subscribers are not going to keep on ordering the magazine due to the "poor quality, uninteresting topics and the republishing of old articles.
I don't think this is a trend, rather it is the weakness (and strength) of the medium. For every post that I spend hours preparing (taking and resizing photos, etc) there will be several posts where I just want to react or respond to something. It is difficult to always feel like your posts have to be cutting edge and have to contribute to the greater good of the hobby. However I feel your pain - one of the reasons why I started this thread was because I have NEVER seen some of my old friends from the Midwest Bonsai Society on any Internet site, and I KNOW some of these folks have a lot to contribute. Many/most of the best bonsai artists I have met have not been the Internet "type". They would come to a site like this, post one suggestion, have it criticized, and never come back. Sad but true - they are quieter introspective folk that place a lot of weight behind their words, while sometimes the Internet lends itself too well to quips and off-the-cuff responses that aren't worth a heck of a lot (though they might be fun and add to an informal community feeling). It is a tough balance.Maybe I'm just getting jaded, I know I'm getting old and cranky, but I am seeing a disturbing trend in the internet forums.
Oh my gosh Brent,I am seeing a disturbing trend in the internet forums.
This trend is embracing beginners with strong computer skills and weak on bonsai skills, while the older more experienced crowd is slowly drifting away.
Another disturbing part of this trend is that every few months or so, a newbie comes along that is head and shoulders above the crowd, a person who just seems to grasp the issues and moves almost immediately beyond the stick in pot phase. Most of these people drop out after a couple of months or about a year. I don't know what they are doing, but they aren't participating in the forums anymore. On the otherhand, it seems like you can't get rid of some these mallsai folks short of burning them at the stake.
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Now you can argue whether this is good, bad, or just a natural evolution of the electronic media, but I HATE it! Even Walter Pall (you don't even have to put his last name), the most conversant computer literate bonsai artist in the world rarely posts anywhere anymore. A few old bonsai farts like Vance Wood, Bonsai Al, and myself are still around, but it is getting awfully lonely at the top.
On the other hand, there is a plethora or mallsai, stick in pot, newbie posts. Plenty of useless banter, birthday bemusements, and squirrel/ rodent treatises.
Dale, I have never read or heard anything from you that I agreed with more. Here's where I think the highly computer-skilled can and do make a difference. Forums like this and others are a valuable contribution in their own way. I appreciate the work involved and wouldn't want to try it even if I had the computing knowledge. Heck, it's hard enough just to update my own website right now, being on dial-up!Oh my gosh Brent,
It's almost like I've heard ( Or SAID) that before!
It's amazing how many real good bonsai people DON'T respond to any threads or visit the forums. Why should they show or talk about trees they've worked on for 10, 15 or 20 years only to have some guy with no trees or pots who has never fully styled a tree , wired it ,and kept it alive tell them whats wrong with their tree, where it SHOULD have branches, and what pot it ought to be in, how shallow the pot out to be, etc.
Your comment on "strong on computer skills and weak on bonsai skills" is so spot on!! Most "Talkers" just don't know how much they don't know!! and so often seem to confuse styling and growing a real bonsai with doing virtuals.
NNNOOOTTTHHHINNNGGG compares to experience.....
except maybe writing a book!
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