ID for pinus species please?

[Shibui]

Just noticed these pines planted outside a cemetery.
Hoping someone can narrow down the possible ID? Please note that no pinus species native to Australia so these hail from north somewhere.

habit:


Bark looks quite distinctive. Obviously not JBP or JRP


2 needles to a sheath


buds have not begun to extend yet.


Small- med pointed cones


opening to rounded


Any thoughts or ideas that will narrow down the possibilities would be welcome.

 

[Starfox]

Stone Pines?

 

[Shibui]

I'm familiar with Pinus pinea - Italian stone pine. The bark may be similar but stone pine should have much larger cones and big seeds. Pretty sure this is not stone pine.

 

[Woocash]

They have various hallmarks of scots pine, but the habit of the smaller tree is off. Could be a cultivar though I suppose, or a different species, or have been pruned small.

 

[YAN]

90% of trees where I live are stone pines pinus pinea.
If you didn’t use stairs to get those pictures it’s not a stone pine.
And with that thickness of trunk a stone pine would be 3 stories high unless zombies of cemetery are bonsai ing it at night.

 

[Wires_Guy_wires]

The bark resembles what I've seen in Nigra but the needle size and stiffness doesn't check out. Nigra have fat needles compared to other pines.

 

[River's Edge]

It is possibly Pinus Halpensis or commonly referred to Aleppo Pine, not native to Australia but considered invasive. Was brought in as ornamental. The deeply fissured bark with reddish tones is a key characteristic of the species. Your pictures of cone shape and progression match up as well.

 

[YukiShiro]

yeah that's a Pinus Halapensis

best regards
Herman

 

[Wires_Guy_wires]

Halepensis I know tends to go squary flakey higher up the trunk. The fissures stop halfway.

 

[Leo in N E Illinois]

My first guess would be Pinus radiata, as it is often used in pine tree plantations in subtropical and tropical areas. Pinus radiata is the #1 plantation pine. Needles are usually in clusters of three, though there is a common subspecies that has all the needles in clusters of 2.

 

[YukiShiro]

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Halepensis I know tends to go squary flakey higher up the trunk. The fissures stop halfway.

the trees in the pic the op posted is a lot younger than these in the pic you posted. plus the cone size also points to halapensis

 

[Shibui]

Thanks for all the opinions.
Halapensis and silvestris were also my first guesses but I don't have enough experience with either to be really familiar with them. The bark is what threw me as neither species show up with the very white plates these 3 have.
All 3 of these appear to be the same species. First one has probably had some damage to the trunk that has prevented it growing tall.
Definitely not radiata. Radiata is extensively planted here and there are a row of mature trees on the other side of the entrance complete with 3 the recognisable 3 needles. Radiata has very different bark - thick, black and deeply fissured. The bark on these appears to shed regularly leaving those flat plates and white color. Does the bark color of silvestris change through the year?

Halapensis is another common pine but more often grown in drier areas. Again, the bark of these does not match up with my experience of that species but, as mentioned the current color may just be seasonal which I have not noticed before.
Does anyone know of key features which would differentiate between these 2 species given that we cannot rely on natural distribution here. I have collected a couple of cones so will grow some seedlings. I know from experience that halapensis has persistent juvenile foliage so that may be enough to point one way or another.

 

[River's Edge]

Thanks for all the opinions.
Halapensis and silvestris were also my first guesses but I don't have enough experience with either to be really familiar with them. The bark is what threw me as neither species show up with the very white plates these 3 have.
All 3 of these appear to be the same species. First one has probably had some damage to the trunk that has prevented it growing tall.
Definitely not radiata. Radiata is extensively planted here and there are a row of mature trees on the other side of the entrance complete with 3 the recognisable 3 needles. Radiata has very different bark - thick, black and deeply fissured. The bark on these appears to shed regularly leaving those flat plates and white color. Does the bark color of silvestris change through the year?

Halapensis is another common pine but more often grown in drier areas. Again, the bark of these does not match up with my experience of that species but, as mentioned the current color may just be seasonal which I have not noticed before.
Does anyone know of key features which would differentiate between these 2 species given that we cannot rely on natural distribution here. I have collected a couple of cones so will grow some seedlings. I know from experience that halapensis has persistent juvenile foliage so that may be enough to point one way or another.

If the bark is more grey than brown it could be environmental , the other possibility is one of the varieties of Pinus Niger. The juvenile buds are very similar to Pinus Niger but the cones are uncharacteristic for the type of Pinus Niger I am familiar with. That said there are many varieties of Pinus Niger.