Is Bonsai Mirai Live Worth $300/year?

Discussion in 'Vendor experiences' started by BillsBayou, Oct 11, 2017.

  1. BillsBayou

    BillsBayou Mame

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    Here's the pricing schedule:
    https://live.bonsaimirai.com/pricing

    Tier 1, at $72/year, seems fairly useless unless you're going to be watching the live stream each Tuesday night. I have no idea what "And so much more means." I never trust that phrase. If it is worth something, then tell me what it is.

    Tier 2 seems okay, even at $180/year. I can watch all the prior videos. I can watch live on the Tuesdays I'm free and after Thursday of each week when the videos are published. Most of the other things, including HD Wallpapers, are all just marketing hype.

    Tier 3 is fairly good looking for the features, but $300/year is a bit steep. But then, look in the store and you'll see that pricing philosophy carries itself across the site. The key added features look good on paper, but I'm not sure how much material there is and how often it is replenished. The video access in Tier 2 is at least promised every Tuesday. The Tier 3 add-ons are questionable. "Extended-cut" workshop lessons is especially worrisome. I'm afraid its lengthy unedited videos where finding the good parts means sitting through a great deal of filler.

    My other question about the site pertains to applicability. While our zones (9B-me, 8B-them) are not too different, the species availability differences between Oregon and Louisiana leave me to wondering if some of the Tier 3 species-related features would just be useless.

    I'm hitting Bonsai Nut first, to see if anyone is already using the Bonsai Mirai site.
     
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  3. bonsaibp

    bonsaibp Omono

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    I can't speak for Tier 1 because I have a Tier 2 subscription- by far the best $180 I've ever spent on bonsai- period hands down.
     
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  4. yenling83

    yenling83 Chumono

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    Yes
     
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  5. AppleBonsai

    AppleBonsai Mame

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    @BillsBayou

    +1 for me... You can also pay monthly- that's what I do. Well worth EVERY penny...

    To alleviate your worries- you can quit anytime- so you may "waste" what, $18 on a Tier 2 for a month? Again, NOT a waste, it has been the most valuable tutorials of bonsai for me period. Ryan also fields questions (but not too much to take away from the pace) from people all over the world. He explains when and what to think about before doing anything to a tree. "What is the goal?". I too was skeptical, but now I am a HUGE believer. Every week has very well produced content in high quality video to access anytime online. I too am way to busy to commit to every Tuesday at 6pm- so utilizing the archives is perfect for me. More so, I have such a better understanding of my trees and am having much more success and fun working with my collection.

    If you have any questions, hit me up on DM.

    Best,
    AB
     
  6. just.wing.it

    just.wing.it Imperial Masterpiece

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    It'd be worth it if I could afford it...
     
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  7. Giga

    Giga Masterpiece

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    Worth it, even if youve been doing this a while you learn stuff
     
  8. cole morton

    cole morton Yamadori

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    The information density is pretty incredible. Easily worth the money.
     
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  9. Bonsai Nut

    Bonsai Nut Administrator

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    I'm a Tier 3 member... but I may go with Tier 2 next year. The service in general is really good:

    (1) The tech is great - the streaming, video and sound is top-notch. They have two camera operators for wide shots and close-ups, and Ryan can ask for the cameras to zoom in to focus on specific things he is working on.
    (2) They have a good support staff - including a tech person and a general co-host in the chat channel as well as via off-camera mikes.
    (3) They have a good structure to the sessions - Ryan introduces the topic, and then they normally start with some prerecorded background material, and then dive back into the live stream. They take questions from the chat channel which makes the session feel a little bit more like it is being recorded in front of a live audience.
    (4) The content has not gotten stale. You would think that after 40 or so live streams Ryan would start running low on subject matter, but not so far. Just this last week he focused specifically on one species - California juniper - and it was both different from prior streams as well as complementary to what he has taught in the past.
    (5) Access to the archives is critical. I find myself forgetting some of the earlier streams... and then as I am about to style a spruce thinking - why don't I go back and re-watch the highlights of the spruce video?

    I'm not 100% certain that the benefits of being a Tier 3 member are worth the rather substantial step up in price. At some level, if you get to ask one question a week, is a question answered by Ryan Neil worth $2? :) Put that way, it may be. :) I was hoping the chat channel would be a little more alive with active discussion, but not so much.

    It is definitely a sound investment in the hobby. If it helps you keep one decent tree alive that might have otherwise died - right there you have a good return on your investment. I will definitely be subscribing next year!
     
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  10. Stickroot

    Stickroot Masterpiece

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  11. cole morton

    cole morton Yamadori

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    Care to elaborate?
     
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  12. reddog

    reddog Mame

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    Tier 3 member but will eventually go to Tier 2. I don't use the extra stuff that comes with T3.
     
  13. Stickroot

    Stickroot Masterpiece

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    You can buy some good material or a damn good pot and learn more through focus and reading than watching that hyped up crap.
     
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  14. Stickroot

    Stickroot Masterpiece

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    All the time you spend yanking to that virtual BS you could be spending with your trees that actually have the energy to teach you something.
    Read with your trees!
    Read to your trees!
    While you sit with your trees and read the link between your thoughts and the visual with your trees will speak to you.
     
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  15. Soldano666

    Soldano666 Chumono

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    If you havr the money to blow sure do it. Id rather spend the money on material and watch it grow, read the web, trim, wire, apply techniques ive read about in and out of season, and monitor results. Mirai is not your back yard, your material, collection, soil mix, recovery time, feeding regimine, expieriments or hardiness zone... Real shit is real and different where you live. "Pros" are always selling and making their skill a must have... Think about how many people wear jordands cause mike did... Spend money on trees, watch for results of what you apply, amd make notes. Sure Mirai might save you a year or two, but what's that when decades make the difference.
     
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  16. Soldano666

    Soldano666 Chumono

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    And I do not discredit Ryan Neil at all, I like his stuff and his expirence is up there without a doubt...., but its his job to sell himself to you. Otherwise he'd need a diffrent job like most of us
     
  17. BobbyLane

    BobbyLane Chumono

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    Im a tier 2...its worth every penny
    Been in the hobby 5 years and learning a lot from the in depth content.
    I was skeptical at first being that his main focus is on conifers and i love deciduous....not only are there a few vids on him working deciduous trees but a lot of what he does can be applied to other species. Was watching the dead wood on the juniper last night....im working on a yew atm and many of the same deadwood techniques can be applied. Looking at my trees in a whole new light now in terms of aestetics..styling..care...maintenance..wiring...etc etc
     
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  18. discusmike

    discusmike Omono

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    Thats alot of money!
     
  19. discusmike

    discusmike Omono

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    Im sure most info he provides could be found much cheaper or free,if money was a not an option i might buy
     
  20. sorce

    sorce Nonsense Rascal

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    Here's what I know....

    Over the last 6 years I've killed more than $300 in nursery stock. Closer to $1k.

    Just the free content has me sure most of that would have been alive today had these streams been available 6 years ago.

    So a year at tier one would have saved me about $400.

    Here's my pricing schedule...

    Tier 1...Carrot Dangled. Get Tier 2.

    Tier 2...Economical and Valuable.

    Tier 3...Baller Status. Get Tier 2.

    Sorce
     
  21. Anthony

    Anthony Masterpiece

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    The secret of Bonsai ------- shhh

    Seed in colander ------> ground grow ----------> trunk and 6 branches

    Dig up when trunk is x

    Place in over sized container and refine.

    Cost very, very little.

    Here's the catch --------- The Design part.
    Get some art classes, learn how to translate what you see in nature into
    a drawing.
    Trace image with 9B pencil from computer screen or print and trace.
    Appreciate what you discover.

    Learn to make your own pots. Design.

    Cost factor very low.

    You guys are taking a very simple situation and making it difficult and expensive,
    Sad.
    Good Day
    Anthony

    $300 US = $2,100. TT -------------- no way brotherman
     

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