Is this AP 'katsura'?

[leatherback]

In another thread I saw a picture of the katsura cultivar. It reminded me a lot of one of my "trial maple", which I got very early on in my bonsai expedition. I initially took it as a regular green maple. However, I now have some green maples, and understand why people say they are strong growers. And I am starting to realize the trial maple probably is a more of a small maple.

Some pictures from the foliage in different stages:

 

[fredman]

Sure looks like it to me.
Here's a pic of my Katsura leaves growing in the ground....it's raining now.

 

[Mapleminx]

Looks like Katsura to me.

 

[leatherback]

OK, cool. Maybe I should treat it, and the 3 offspring I have laying about in the vegetable garden, with a little more care and bring it back to respectability maybe even a pot!?

 

[KiwiPlantGuy]

Hi,
Could be ‘Orange Dream’? Loads of choices- but you don’t know where/who it came from?
Charles

 

[leatherback]

Could be ‘Orange Dream’? Loads of choices- but you don’t know where/who it came from?

It came from a tree nursery where it was in a pile "frost damaged" trees. no label. At the time I just assumed regular green. No graft that I could find either.

Come spring I will try to remember to take a series of clear foliage pictures.

 

[LanceMac10]

If it wasn't labeled, probably won't be able to properly ID.....vivid spring color persists longer than most AP and you'll notice it pop amongst the green...could be, though. Document in spring.

 

[Canada Bonsai]

@leatherback a distinguishing feature of Katsura is that by mid-summer the foliage on the extremities of the upper portions will turn pale. This occurs regardless of age: 10-30cm cuttings do it, 5 and 25 year old bonsai do it, 10 and 40 year old landscape trees do it, (i'm listing what i've seen first hand). Katsura means 'wig', and I've wondered if it got its name from this phenomenon (others have hypothesized other origins for the name).

The 'whispy' tip of the central lobe (see @fredman 's photo), is also characteristic.

(First two photos stolen from the internet, last 4 photos are my tree)

 

[Mapleminx]

Hi,
Could be ‘Orange Dream’? Loads of choices- but you don’t know where/who it came from?
Charles

I did think of that one, but for me it’s not quite ticking the right boxes..at least not yet. Spring and Summer would hopefully offer more clues but as you stated, tough call as to exactly what.

I’m still leaning to Katsura but I can’t compare it with mine until I next visit the garden it’s current grounded in.

 

[leatherback]

Could be ‘Orange Dream’?

I have an orange dream I picked up last summer. But is was rther sad looking so never saw proper foliage on it. Budding as we speak, so might soon!

 

[AlainK]

It could be either Katsura or Orange Dream (or maybe another one) : depending on the conditions of cultivation, the pH of the soil, etc, colours can vary for the same cultivar.
This being said, I also think it might be Katsura, whose leaves are a bit darker when they come out. Here are pictures I took today of an O.D. and a K. in the same location and about the same height :

 

[LanceMac10]

Orange dream in spring....emerged into a bit too much shade so a bit more green than yellow...O.D. will be a broader leaf "palm" where Katsura will have deeper divided lobes...good sun exposure in spring is key to "proper" color in my opinion.