Is this scale or normal for Kinzu?
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Nuttier than your average Nut
Not normal. They should look like normal citrus and have clean unblemished green branches for this year's new growth. Also the leaves should not be curled.
JoeR
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So not normal, but any idea if its scale? I occasionally get scale on my other citrus (calamondin, orange, Persian lime, etc) but theyre much larger and dark grey. He mentioned the high iron in their water is the reason the leaves look like that.
Leo in N E Illinois
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I'd keep it away from any trees you like. Isolate that thing.
Spray with insecticide listed for scale. The more toxic the better. You don't want that crud spreading.
If it isn't scale, hopefully what ever you used kills it off.
If it is environmental, for example excess iron (which I doubt) it will slowly recover with your better horticulture.
It is a bad idea to knowingly accept diseased plants into your collection, no matter how cheap.
Spray with insecticide listed for scale. The more toxic the better. You don't want that crud spreading.
If it isn't scale, hopefully what ever you used kills it off.
If it is environmental, for example excess iron (which I doubt) it will slowly recover with your better horticulture.
It is a bad idea to knowingly accept diseased plants into your collection, no matter how cheap.
JoeR
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Well thats the thing... it wasn't cheap, and came from a reputable bonsai nursery... couldnt see the problems from the pictures before purchase. Quite frustrating but what do you do, complain to the seller with what expectations?
Plan of action is to fertilize with the stuff I got from you and apply neem oil. I think I've read before you can spot treat small infestations like this with isopropyl or peroxide, but I cant find where I read that.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
I'd have expectations for them to care about the next guy. Inform them for them. I guess that's not a complaint.
Kinda bogus, it's not like you can overlook that.
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Leo in N E Illinois
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Definitely talk with the seller. Talk about returning for refund. See where that goes. Even the best nursery has the occasional "oops", and ships a plant that is less than acceptable. Talk to them see if they are receptive to a return and refund or replacement.
Spot treating with isopropyl alcohol, 70%, straight from the bottle. The strength isn't that important for insect control, 70% or 90%. But no lower than 70%. The alcohol works to dehydrate the scale and or adelgid and or aphids or any insect it comes in contact with. Lower strengths won't have the "kill" effect. Just dip and apply with a q-tip.
After or in addition to the alcohol, neem oil is a good general purpose. If you have it on hand, the Bonide systemic or the Bayer systemic based on imadiproclid would be a good choice.
Spot treating with isopropyl alcohol, 70%, straight from the bottle. The strength isn't that important for insect control, 70% or 90%. But no lower than 70%. The alcohol works to dehydrate the scale and or adelgid and or aphids or any insect it comes in contact with. Lower strengths won't have the "kill" effect. Just dip and apply with a q-tip.
After or in addition to the alcohol, neem oil is a good general purpose. If you have it on hand, the Bonide systemic or the Bayer systemic based on imadiproclid would be a good choice.
LanceMac10
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Held up in shipping? Shipping conditions are textbook scale breeding grounds.
Treat as suggested and for sure isolate and apply to all other material shipped with.
Can communicate with seller the situation but it is what it is......
Good luck and get to sprish-sprish'n...
Treat as suggested and for sure isolate and apply to all other material shipped with.
Can communicate with seller the situation but it is what it is......
Good luck and get to sprish-sprish'n...
JoeR
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It was shipped 2 day priority but I think it spent 6 or 7 days in the mail.Held up in shipping? Shipping conditions are textbook scale breeding grounds.
Treat as suggested and for sure isolate and apply to all other material shipped with.
Can communicate with seller the situation but it is what it is......
Good luck and get to sprish-sprish'n...
Here's some closer pictures under a coin lense, the fuzz is from the qtip lol. Last pic is the healthy foliage that doesn't have the pest.
Thanks for the help guys
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Clicio
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Definitely this is some kind of infestation.
I was just Spring pruning mine today and it's new growth is light green and clean.
I was just Spring pruning mine today and it's new growth is light green and clean.
Leo in N E Illinois
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Below are some scale insect candidates for you.
Waxy scale insects
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And
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Cottony cushion scale - common on citrus
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Another group of scale
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Another group of candidates
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Another group of candidates
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Waxy scale insects
Coccidae - Wikipedia
Coccus (insect) - Wikipedia
Diaspididae - Wikipedia
Cottony cushion scale - common on citrus
Icerya purchasi - Wikipedia
Another group of scale
Margarodidae - Wikipedia
Another group of candidates
Ortheziidae - Wikipedia
Another group of candidates
Eriococcidae - Wikipedia
JoeR
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Do you have a thread for it? Love to see it.
JoeR
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Thanks for taking the time to compile the list Leo, I'll check all of those out and see what I come up withBelow are some scale insect candidates for you.
Waxy scale insects
AndCoccidae - Wikipedia
Coccus (insect) - Wikipedia
Diaspididae - Wikipedia
Cottony cushion scale - common on citrus
Icerya purchasi - Wikipedia
Another group of scale
Margarodidae - Wikipedia
Another group of candidates
Ortheziidae - Wikipedia
Another group of candidates
Eriococcidae - Wikipedia
Jzack605
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Hold off on fertilizer until it is under control.
JoeR
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Hmm... whats the reasoning behind this? Less vigorous growth is less appealing to the insects?
Jzack605
Chumono
Exactly.
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just.wing.it
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No. Bugs attack weak plants first.
But it a good idea to not fertilize a weak tree too.....wish I had a better reasoning, but every bonsai book says that.
Jzack605
Chumono
Incorrect.
insects like scale and aphids capitalize on vigorously growing trees due to more tender fresh growth.
it’s common practice with landscape trees to hold off on fertilizer to get scales or aphids under control. I do it and recommend it regularly and see the results.
I have good results with insect growth regulators for scale.
insects like scale and aphids capitalize on vigorously growing trees due to more tender fresh growth.
it’s common practice with landscape trees to hold off on fertilizer to get scales or aphids under control. I do it and recommend it regularly and see the results.
I have good results with insect growth regulators for scale.
just.wing.it
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Why are Healthy Plants Bug-Resistant?
We all know that healthy plants are resistant to bugs. Unfortunately, we all too often forget to ask ourselves why this is true.
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