Japanese maple dissectum

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I just managed to get an japanese maple dissectum from someone's garden. It was planted there for 10+ years I blive the tree is closer to 30 years old. I'm in saxony Germany and I know now is not the ideal time to dig up a tree but for 55 euros I had to take the chance plus I the end I got it free. It's about 80cm tall trunk base is 31 and a half cm around midway up is 23cm and top is 22cm around. The canopy was 180cm wide now it's about 110cm. Has anyone had luck with survival of this kind of tree
 
I usually do all my transplanting in the Fall. Gives the roots time to get set before our harsh summers. Has it dropped its leaves?
 
Fwiw dissectums make for finicky bonsai because it f their extremely thin and feathery leaves. In containers those leaves tend to dry out easily and get crispy

Fall can work as a collecting season but you have to find a place to overwinter that remain as close to 35 as possible. All winter. Lower temps can kill new roots. Think of ways to protect hose roots from the worst of the cold. Much, garage etc
 
If the tree was grafted and is on pure strain acer palmatum rootstock, then I would say your chance of survival is pretty solid.

Whether you can develop it as a bonsai and use bonsai techniques to improve ramification and reduce leaf size etc is more iffy.

I have seen Seiryu developed as bonsai - it is one of the more hearty dissectum varieties. Other dissectums can be really weak when it comes to root work, seasonal pruning and resistance to pest/disease issues etc.
 
I've some dissectum maples that are in training as bonsai. of course you will have big dimensions bonsai cause of the dimensions of the leaf. Some cultivar are very resistent to direct sun (I have 2 viridis, 1 Crimson Queen, 1 stella rossa, 1 Seiryu)

I've others that I'm growing as potted trees and I've found they are very strong plants, for example Orangeola, Nigrum, waterfall, inaba shidare
 
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I usually do all my transplanting in the Fall. Gives the roots time to get set before our harsh summers. Has it dropped its leaves?
It was in the process of dropping them it still has some still one.
 
Fwiw dissectums make for finicky bonsai because it f their extremely thin and feathery leaves. In containers those leaves tend to dry out easily and get crispy

Fall can work as a collecting season but you have to find a place to overwinter that remain as close to 35 as possible. All winter. Lower temps can kill new roots. Think of ways to protect hose roots from the worst of the cold. Much, garage etc
The pot is wrapped in about 1 inch or 1cm of heavy duty black fabric. I have the top mulched to about 3 inch deep or 6cm. When the heavy freez comes I will cover the the canopy with frost protection fabric
 
If the tree was grafted and is on pure strain acer palmatum rootstock, then I would say your chance of survival is pretty solid.

Whether you can develop it as a bonsai and use bonsai techniques to improve ramification and reduce leaf size etc is more iffy.

I have seen Seiryu developed as bonsai - it is one of the more hearty dissectum varieties. Other dissectums can be really weak when it comes to root work, seasonal pruning and resistance to pest/disease issues etc.
It is grafted
 
Here's what it looks like right now
 

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Has anyone had luck with survival of this kind of tree
Pacific Bonsai Museum has a very nice dissectum maple, estimated to be in training at least 60 years. You'll have to forgive the "before" photo, I hope to get a better, finished one by end of the week. This tree might not stand out in PBM's collection to the general public compared to green leaf varieties, but for those who understand the challenges of cultivating this group of maples, it is a head turner.

The dissectum group is very broad and the leaf morphology especially is varied--selections have made primarily for leaf and secondarily for branching habit. Generally, dissectums are on the coarser side, often having more brittle branches, and are grafted, all of which can present significant challenges. Selecting a specific variety with favorable genetics plus either hand-picking an excellent graft or rebuilding the roots from scratch would be key to building a specimen out of a dissectum maple.

None of that is to speak directly to the tree in question, only that with good technique and enough time dissectums are promising for bonsai, though different than the natural varieties. My 2 cents on your tree: This plant does not have an excellent graft and it is just as like to get uglier as it is to get better with age. Addressing this by building a new root system above the graft--either by layering or root grafting--will be necessary. Alternative, you could treat this as a mother plant, and air layer off branches for smaller future bonsai. (Fwiw, thisis the same as my basic playbook for nursery stock plants)
 

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Pacific Bonsai Museum has a very nice dissectum maple, estimated to be in training at least 60 years. You'll have to forgive the "before" photo, I hope to get a better, finished one by end of the week. This tree might not stand out in PBM's collection to the general public compared to green leaf varieties, but for those who understand the challenges of cultivating this group of maples, it is a head turner.

The dissectum group is very broad and the leaf morphology especially is varied--selections have made primarily for leaf and secondarily for branching habit. Generally, dissectums are on the coarser side, often having more brittle branches, and are grafted, all of which can present significant challenges. Selecting a specific variety with favorable genetics plus either hand-picking an excellent graft or rebuilding the roots from scratch would be key to building a specimen out of a dissectum maple.

None of that is to speak directly to the tree in question, only that with good technique and enough time dissectums are promising for bonsai, though different than the natural varieties. My 2 cents on your tree: This plant does not have an excellent graft and it is just as like to get uglier as it is to get better with age. Addressing this by building a new root system above the graft--either by layering or root grafting--will be necessary. Alternative, you could treat this as a mother plant, and air layer off branches for smaller future bonsai. (Fwiw, thisis the same as my basic playbook for nursery stock plants)
Yeah the graft is not that great I was already looking at just pulling air layers once it recovers and just keeping it as a mother plant in my garden in a nice planter. My wife love the tree so do I.
 
Even with Dissectum you don't necessarily need to go big imho, but probably choose a beneficial form so that the often weeping habit is absorbed.
Had this lovely shohin, sadly did not make it through the winter (great loss to me) ...

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Even with Dissectum you don't necessarily need to go big imho, but probably choose a beneficial form so that the often weeping habit is absorbed.
Had this lovely shohin, sadly did not make it through the winter (great loss to me) ...

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I think they are some beautiful trees when grown out.
 
The idea of breaking it down in air layers is good, but keep that main trunk. If those grow well then try the main trunk. I've seen worse grafts and that fancy foliage is what a dissectum is about. So I wouldn't emphasize it as a fault too harshly. What a wonderful chance!
 
The idea of breaking it down in air layers is good, but keep that main trunk. If those grow well then try the main trunk. I've seen worse grafts and that fancy foliage is what a dissectum is about. So I wouldn't emphasize it as a fault too harshly. What a wonderful chance!
I will give an air layer chance but if it take great if not oh well.
 
Really I did not know that actually seriously I did not. Please don't think I'm am being sarcastic because I'm not.
:) Why would you be sarcastic?
Maybe do a little poll to find out whether people have been succesfull layering them, and if so, which ones.

I know I failed twice. Did not go for a round three. Heard others have simialr experiences. (Then again, I now have a green dissectum that roots from 1-node cuttings, go figure)
 
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