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I will add that the JBP has inverse taper at the base , due to how it was developed, what are some strategies to apply? Grafting at the base? Just letting it grow , applying sphagnum and ground layering it? It’s in a grow pot , so I did spread the roots out but planted it a bit deeper so the reverse taper isn’t so obvious
 

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Tree has wire grown into trunk in early training as cause of this. Personally would give spiral wrap of wire at base of trunk(IF room exists to do so)when repotting and let grow in. Do not let overlap with present wire for best result as only wanting very bottom to expand🤔.
 
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....the relentless march of time is your greatest tool......what/how long is the plan with the tree in question?
I just want to let it grow for a few years , while also setting the basic structure of the apex etc. Next year I want to wire and decandle the apex and side branches to set it up because I am satisfied with the height, while also allowing a sacrifice branch to fallow the base to thicken up. I watched a video on YouTube (BonsaiQ) . Where they used mountain moss and put it around the base of the tree to get roots shoot out , with a mesh screen around it.
 

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decent root flare/spread will bulk up the base below the bulge. I wouldn't worry about it just yet
 

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I just want to let it grow for a few years , while also setting the basic structure of the apex etc. Next year I want to wire and decandle the apex and side branches to set it up because I am satisfied with the height, while also allowing a sacrifice branch to fallow the base to thicken up. I watched a video on YouTube (BonsaiQ) . Where they used mountain moss and put it around the base of the tree to get roots shoot out , with a mesh screen around it.


For me, trying to get new roots via moss is a non-starter. Find it hard to believe a sufficient rootage could be created to support the tree while you're essentially trying to water two root-balls at the same time. Sounds like a fungal open-door policy!🤔

Can your Pine ground-layer on it's own if planted deeper? Sure, @Adair M has a Pine that did.......I can't carry his "Pine-strap", can you?😄😄😄😄😄😄😄

At my own peril, would it be cool to say what I would do if it was mine? Don't think it's much different than what you stated, but, I can get a bit involved internally.....hyper analysis.....
 

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Red pine I cut some of the tangling surface roots that weren’t addressed before.. but kore root work to do again next spring I will repot to clean more roots. This one atleast has a chance to have decent nebari
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The black pine is a mess on the roots.. I need to find or develop a better black pine. The roots / base is atrocious it’s a good tree above the soil line …. Not sure what to do.
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The black pine is a mess on the roots.. I need to find or develop a better black pine. The roots / base is atrocious it’s a good tree above the soil line …. Not sure what to do.
Consider a different planting angle and depth.
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Yeah thanks for input I just want one black pine w good nebari and root flare .. looks like I’ll have to grow or find a pond basket one
Not for the faint of heart... but this was posted yesterday on an JBP air-layer thread. You could also repot the tree cleaning most of the soil at the top and sort out the crossing roots, that could be enough to fix it.


 

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Ok so no I experimented today the way I potted my imported Japanese White Pine , the buds are extending nicely so now was the time. I planted on untangling some roots and planting at an upright angle , however more and more I discovered, the roots were wrapping all over and it as a mess. So I went all out
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I found white clumps of mycorrhiza and spread it around the roots and added some to the sphagnum on top … then placed in an air tight plastic bag.
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Getting sun light , and then in garage at night only when it’s cold
 

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Small black pine , growing out as a mame added a bend w zip ties
 

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Lastly here is a Japanese black pine from studio I’m just messing around with.. cascade style… will post here it’s future development as well.
I shoulda used raffia because w that bend the tree didn’t survive that winter.. oh well.
 
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