Japanese white pine Miyajima nursery stock.

[Frozentreehugger]

I understand, thanks for the clarification. Mugo has some dwarf cultivars but generally speaking they are not a dwarf when it's var. pumillo or mughus. It is a rather slow growing single flush genus though! I've seen it a bunch of times that people refer to mugo as a dwarf, so I just wanted to point out that it's not, unless specified. It might help some people for future reference.

Good point . Especially here in North America where most Mugo are dwarf garden accent plants . Based on that is what is sold in nurseries . As I said iseli has introduced multiple dwarf cultivars . So they must work a lot with it . Working in the capital of Canada I have access to the national arboretum which has multiple trees . Dating from its start in 1904 . There is a impressive Mugo multi stem . Each about 1 to 2 feet diameter . It’s not a gigantic tall pine tree . But your not mistaken it for a dwarf

 

[Frozentreehugger]

What size scion is best for starting grafts? I need to learn how to graft.
I have a 15 foot tall JWP in my front yard. I looked through all the Mugo at Lowes yesterday
and all they had were multiple pencil sized trunks making up the 2 gallon pots.
I didn’t even bother to look at the price. Maybe once every 5 or more years do I see a mugo
here locally, that is worth considering for bonsai. Root stock for scions though, I’ve never had
in mind when looking through them. What should i be looking for?

You don’t have to use mugo . I’m more interested in grafting foliage to a good trunk . But my understanding is you start with a 2 year old ore 3 rootstock . And graft a shoot to it there are multiple . Vids on line . As I said before . Iseli has created and discovered multiple mugo . Dwarf cultivars . One way to develop cultivars is plant thousands of seeds . And select unique growth . So stands to reason they have lots of mugo . Root stock so they use that . Of course there may be other reasons . Have you considered . You have a bonsai JWP nice cultivar And you have a 15 foot yard tree . I would be tempted to graft foliage and or buds from the bonsai to the trunk of the yard tree . Then dig that up . Just a thought . One of the primary reasons I signed up a subscription it Marai is to learn more advanced techniques like . Grafting . So far the approach grafting has been very interesting . Not trying to sell you . But there is lots of info if your interested . Lots on the web about grafting

 

[Japonicus]

You don’t have to use mugo . I’m more interested in grafting foliage to a good trunk . But my understanding is you start with a 2 year old ore 3 rootstock . And graft a shoot to it there are multiple . Vids on line . As I said before . Iseli has created and discovered multiple mugo . Dwarf cultivars . One way to develop cultivars is plant thousands of seeds . And select unique growth . So stands to reason they have lots of mugo . Root stock so they use that . Of course there may be other reasons . Have you considered . You have a bonsai JWP nice cultivar And you have a 15 foot yard tree . I would be tempted to graft foliage and or buds from the bonsai to the trunk of the yard tree . Then dig that up . Just a thought . One of the primary reasons I signed up a subscription it Marai is to learn more advanced techniques like . Grafting . So far the approach grafting has been very interesting . Not trying to sell you . But there is lots of info if your interested . Lots on the web about grafting

No, I have no plans to dig up the landscape tree unless it dies.
I got on a ladder last Fall and my wife and I removed all the old shed needles
and trimmed back some. I have left bottom branches that’s in the way of the mower
lest one day I take up grafting as a side hobby. So 2-3 year old root stock.
That helps. Sorry to the OP, for the side notes on your thread.

 

[Japonicus]

@TrevorLarsen How's your pine doing? Been awful hot out there this year.
Any Fall plans for it this year?

 

[TrevorLarsen]

@TrevorLarsen How's your pine doing? Been awful hot out there this year.
Any Fall plans for it this year?

Yeah it has been good. I actually just cut off all the middle branches today so it will feed the bottom, that I’m actually keeping more.

 

[Japonicus]

Yeah it has been good. I actually just cut off all the middle branches today so it will feed the bottom, that I’m actually keeping more.
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Wuhl my post was good timing. How do these things happen?
Hope it doesn't throw a fit on ya. Still love the foliage on this one.

 

[TrevorLarsen]

Wuhl my post was good timing. How do these things happen?
Hope it doesn't throw a fit on ya. Still love the foliage on this one.

Do they sometimes respond poorly to cutting the middle branches off?

 

[Japonicus]

Do they sometimes respond poorly to cutting the middle branches off?

Don't know about the mid section causing issues, but the amount of reduction I have had issues with
on a JWP. Thought I was following Adairs example at a workshop, but I'm being more cautious with reductions
since that "Atco goyo" died. Maybe it was the included shari I did along with the reduction.
I would've wanted to reduce keeper branches to drive ramification closer in, but would be leery of that this year now.