It really irritates me when people publicly talk about others and have no idea what they are talking about. Yamasibon is not a hermit and doesn't live in the middle of nowhere on a mountain.This is cooler, the guy its some kind of hermit living in the middle of nowhere in a japanese mountain and doing bonsai, just awesome
I think this is a good question that could use a little more exploring.OMG Why cant bonsai nurseries here be like that ?????
Great points John. Thanks!I think this is a good question that could use a little more exploring.
I too have gotten sucked down the rabbit hole of is youtuber and have been loving the content.
Here is my contribution to the discussion:
1. I think it was in the og video that the grower mentioned that he was 5th generation and that the nursery had been there almost 100 years. Another video i was watching mentioned that some of the trees in the ground had been planted there over 100 years before. So, I think that in 50 years we might have a few nurseries that are of this caliper. However, time is not enough.
2. A ton of skill is involved in pulling trees of this quality off. We have some amazing bonsai practitioners in this country, but not near enough to be able to trickle down into owning and managing collections like these. Almost every full time bonsai professional practitioner that I know is involved in teaching and in the production of show quality trees. The expertise is all stuck at the top because that is where the money is. Which brings me to the next point:
3. The OG youtube post mentions the pricing on some of the trees: 5000yen for a tiny trident maple. that is around $50USD. Lets assume you only sell those for a living. At minimum wage in Oregon, I would have to sell almost 1500 of those per year to take home $30,000, after costs. That does not give you any retirement, health care, or savings. I do not think that there is a market in the USA to sell that many of those trees year after year to create the type of stability needed to maintain a nursery for 100 years. (and you could also argue that $30,000/yr is not a sustainable wage, but that is another post altogether) The demand is high for some items, but I don't think it is high enough for most and even though the demand might be there, I am not sure that the market is willing to pay the prices needed to sustain the grower. How many years of watering and maintaining that single trident does it take to get to that point? 5 years? At 5 years of growth, that means $10/year. If I offered you 20cents per week to simply water that tree (not to mention the 1000 other things done to that tree) would you take me up on it? (if so, I am looking to hire!)
So in conclusion: In 50 years, assuming that there is a little more trickle down knowledge and high enough demand coupled with willingness to pay the prices needed to sustain a nursery, I predict that we will have nurseries in the USA that are just like those that we see in Japan and other places.
All this being said, I am starting a small bonsai nursery. I will try to keep everyone updated on how it is going, and might even pass it on to the next generation (although they are very reluctant to help me, especially with the black pines ((too pokey)) so you might need to look other places for those in 25 years!)
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Yeah Bonsai Q I’ve been hooked on for weeks …. May I add to your repertoire ?Youtube is taking me on a hell of a ride. It’s algorithm has led me to this video which showcases a nursery that makes Heron’s look like Nigel Saunders:
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