JBP From Seed For The 1st Time - the force is not strong in this one

Darth Masiah

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i was a little surprised even one seed pushed though this fine sand
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4/26/19
only one made it out of that beat up 10 pack.
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5/12/19
time to try the seedling cutting technique.
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6/14/19
a few more seedlings i planted in may were coming up
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Have you started fertilizing yet?
And I assume the last pic was 5/8 instead of 3/8?
 

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Have you started fertilizing yet?
And I assume the last pic was 5/8 instead of 3/8?
oops on the date. yeah, i already started fertilizing. they got fertilizer all last year too from when the middle needles started pushing up.
 

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i was about to knock some of the buds off the whorl so i only have a leader and a side branch pushing out next year, and no swelling. how beneficial can this technique be? i read about it in Schrader’s blog.

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roots look healthy
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Why not remove strong apical bud, leave 2 side ones instead to add unwired movement to trunk:confused:?
 

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What is your development plan?
Do you have LOWLOW buds on this? Or do you need a side-branch at the tip to build your tree?

I would consider just keeping the main bud and let that shoot for the stars for a few years. That is, assuming you have a low branch that later on can become your tree (You would chop everything down to the lowest banch, which then would have a very big trunk in comparison to the height. @Adair M I think has a nice example picute of pines grown for bonsai in a professional bonsai nursery.

If you do not have a low bud, keep one or two side-buds and the main bud. Wire the trunk to get some movement. Then let the main leader shoot for the stars, and keep the 2 small branches that develop out of the side-buts. These branches you keep as short as viably possible over the years to later build your tree from.
 

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What is your development plan?
I would consider just keeping the main bud and let that shoot for the stars for a few years.
If you do not have a low bud, keep one or two side-buds and the main bud. Wire the trunk to get some movement. Then let the main leader shoot for the stars, and keep the 2 small branches that develop out of the side-buts. These branches you keep as short as viably possible over the years to later build your tree from.
yeah, this is pretty much what i was thinking. i figured it would be easier keeping the main sacrifice branch and only one secondary sacrifice branch from shading the lower buds too much. if i just bud thinned now i wouldn't have to worry about a big whorl later.
 

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now i wouldn't have to worry about a big whorl later.
For now you are fine. Also if you decide to leave the buds, wait to see which one are alive come spring. And thin the whorl in spring. Certainly if yu let the leader grow a few seasons it will be invisble in the end (I would not let them grow all season though, but thin them latest in spring).
 

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Why not remove strong apical bud, leave 2 side ones instead to add unwired movement to trunk:confused:?
i need the strongest bud to keep elongating to thicken the trunk. low on the trunk there's a few buds that'll become the next section of trunk when the lowest section is as thick as i want it to be.
 

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I'll try cutting a few and leaving a few uncut.
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