Jin Branches: Primary, secondary??

John Ruger

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Is it acceptable to consider a jinned branch as the first branch, second...etc? Or do they fit into a completely different classification for styling purposes?
 
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Every branch that comes out of the trunk is a primary branch.
Secondary branches are the branches that come out of the primary branches.
Tertiary branches are those grown from secondary branches...

etc, etc.

PS.: It looks like you edited your post, from "primary" branch to "first" branch. In that case, my answer above does not address your question.
 
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John, I take it to mean can a jinned branch still be considered a branch for design purposes ie. 1st branch or third ,wherever. I think you will get a good variety here, but I think yes, it's a visual draw, just no foliage. I do sometimes try to look over a tree design wise to see how what falls into place, I think you would do this if the branch in question was dead or dying rather then purposefully jin it, but that too could be viable choice.
 

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I think jinned branches CAN be considered as primary design element branches--if they're interesting. Like a lot of things in bonsai, it's subjective. There will probably be some who disagree.
 

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Every branch that comes out of the trunk is a primary branch.
Secondary branches are the branches that come out of the primary branches.
Tertiary branches are those grown from secondary branches...

etc, etc.

Thanks, for pointing that out Atilla; I meant 1st, 2nd, 3rd...
 

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I agree rockm, but they must look the part, can't just be well there is a branch there thats #1, and they nee dto be the right size.

I remember Marco say that you usually would find jin low on wild trees.
 

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I agree rockm, but they must look the part, can't just be well there is a branch there thats #1, and they need to be the right size.

I remember Marco say that you usually would not find jin low on wild trees.
 

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Thanks Bill S and rockm, I was just never sure if there was a certain "bonsai etiquette" that considered jins as more like an "additive" as opposed to, as rockm very well states, as "a primary design element".
 

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I usually think of first foliage pad, second foliage pad , third .... etc.

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Steve
 

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Thanks, for pointing that out Atilla; I meant 1st, 2nd, 3rd...

Right.
It depends on the "visual weight" of the jin. If it is powerful enough, then it can be considered an important part of thesign, and thus a "first branch".
On the other hand, if it's just a little stub, or a relatively thin deadwood, then it is probably not important enough to be considered a 1st or 2nd branch.
 

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Best to use Japanese here for better clarification. First Branch - Ichi no eda
 

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