Just Sharing - so you say my techniques are old fashioned - welll..................

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Down here a simple soil mix is used and a simple Grow and Clip,
as well as Health is more important than Design.

So you say my soil mix is old fashioned.
5 mm silica based gravel - rounded shapes
5 mm crushed red brick - rounded shapes
less than 1/3 aged compost.
Freely draining, yet water retentive,

Okay -
grows every thing well since 1980
can be without the crushed red brick.
Roots can't smash and after 30 years, was still encouraging
fine feeder roots, when we did the deep core look.

Still encouraging good drainage and water holding qualities.
Plus microbes.

Okay we have also have tested 3 mm glass spheres - works
8 mm Leca spheres - works , and 8 mm marbles - worls
and hand rolled 8 mm clay spheres - works.
All have additions of less than 1/3 aged compost.

We are now at 1 inch deep pots [ 2.5 cm ] and 3 mm soil
ingredients.
Testing on the thirsty ones, Indoor Oak [ was Nicodemia d ]
and the Tamarindus i.
A bit of Scott technology and bragging rights,

Grow and Clip

We use no fungicides/ insecticides, Follow Rodales organic
farming.
Pests are brown grasshoppers and leaf cutting ants.
Grasshoppers chomp when no food is available.
Leaf cutters when the nest wants to expand.
Grasshoppers removed by hand and thrown out of the garden.
Leafcutters fed citrus peels with a scentless chemical - locally
made.

Perhaps fully realised in the late 1800's as there are references
further back in Chinese history.
Wiring pre-dates grow and clip .

So how old are my techniques ?

J.B.pines techniqes are for keeping the tree clean and exhibition.
You have to practice to learn, and so there are expendables.
Not the main trees.
Murata says do every two years. I can trust him.

So practice, master and when exhibiting take 3 to 5 years to
go for the standard,

Also used is the see the whole tree, draw and go closer to
study individual qualites.
Put together from imagination. [ Imagination is the reshuffling of images
seen by the brain ]
An idealise form.

We keep the tree shapes simple, because-
[ 1 ] Trinidad is an island that promotes healthy trees and simple old shapes.
[ to find white wood require cliffs facing the sea in the Northern range
more of an oddity than common ]

[ 2 ] Health is more important than Design and after x time the tree outgrows
the design,
Simple shapes last longer.

If a hedging shrub is grown many times.
You can draw the shape and grow the hedge material into it.
A way of showing off.
Good Day
Anthony
 

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Down here a simple soil mix is used and a simple Grow and Clip,
as well as Health is more important than Design.

So you say my soil mix is old fashioned.
5 mm silica based gravel - rounded shapes
5 mm crushed red brick - rounded shapes
less than 1/3 aged compost.
Freely draining, yet water retentive,

Okay -
grows every thing well since 1980
can be without the crushed red brick.
Roots can't smash and after 30 years, was still encouraging
fine feeder roots, when we did the deep core look.

Still encouraging good drainage and water holding qualities.
Plus microbes.

Okay we have also have tested 3 mm glass spheres - works
8 mm Leca spheres - works , and 8 mm marbles - worls
and hand rolled 8 mm clay spheres - works.
All have additions of less than 1/3 aged compost.

We are now at 1 inch deep pots [ 2.5 cm ] and 3 mm soil
ingredients.
Testing on the thirsty ones, Indoor Oak [ was Nicodemia d ]
and the Tamarindus i.
A bit of Scott technology and bragging rights,

Grow and Clip

We use no fungicides/ insecticides, Follow Rodales organic
farming.
Pests are brown grasshoppers and leaf cutting ants.
Grasshoppers chomp when no food is available.
Leaf cutters when the nest wants to expand.
Grasshoppers removed by hand and thrown out of the garden.
Leafcutters fed citrus peels with a scentless chemical - locally
made.

Perhaps fully realised in the late 1800's as there are references
further back in Chinese history.
Wiring pre-dates grow and clip .

So how old are my techniques ?

J.B.pines techniqes are for keeping the tree clean and exhibition.
You have to practice to learn, and so there are expendables.
Not the main trees.
Murata says do every two years. I can trust him.

So practice, master and when exhibiting take 3 to 5 years to
go for the standard,

Also used is the see the whole tree, draw and go closer to
study individual qualites.
Put together from imagination. [ Imagination is the reshuffling of images
seen by the brain ]
An idealise form.

We keep the tree shapes simple, because-
[ 1 ] Trinidad is an island that promotes healthy trees and simple old shapes.
[ to find white wood require cliffs facing the sea in the Northern range
more of an oddity than common ]

[ 2 ] Health is more important than Design and after x time the tree outgrows
the design,
Simple shapes last longer.

If a hedging shrub is grown many times.
You can draw the shape and grow the hedge material into it.
A way of showing off.
Good Day
Anthony



All garbage - please all bnuts - throw these posts away.
 

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Down here a simple soil mix is used and a simple Grow and Clip,
as well as Health is more important than Design.

So you say my soil mix is old fashioned.
5 mm silica based gravel - rounded shapes
5 mm crushed red brick - rounded shapes
less than 1/3 aged compost.
Freely draining, yet water retentive,

Okay -
grows every thing well since 1980
can be without the crushed red brick.
Roots can't smash and after 30 years, was still encouraging
fine feeder roots, when we did the deep core look.

Still encouraging good drainage and water holding qualities.
Plus microbes.

Okay we have also have tested 3 mm glass spheres - works
8 mm Leca spheres - works , and 8 mm marbles - worls
and hand rolled 8 mm clay spheres - works.
All have additions of less than 1/3 aged compost.

We are now at 1 inch deep pots [ 2.5 cm ] and 3 mm soil
ingredients.
Testing on the thirsty ones, Indoor Oak [ was Nicodemia d ]
and the Tamarindus i.
A bit of Scott technology and bragging rights,

Grow and Clip

We use no fungicides/ insecticides, Follow Rodales organic
farming.
Pests are brown grasshoppers and leaf cutting ants.
Grasshoppers chomp when no food is available.
Leaf cutters when the nest wants to expand.
Grasshoppers removed by hand and thrown out of the garden.
Leafcutters fed citrus peels with a scentless chemical - locally
made.

Perhaps fully realised in the late 1800's as there are references
further back in Chinese history.
Wiring pre-dates grow and clip .

So how old are my techniques ?

J.B.pines techniqes are for keeping the tree clean and exhibition.
You have to practice to learn, and so there are expendables.
Not the main trees.
Murata says do every two years. I can trust him.

So practice, master and when exhibiting take 3 to 5 years to
go for the standard,

Also used is the see the whole tree, draw and go closer to
study individual qualites.
Put together from imagination. [ Imagination is the reshuffling of images
seen by the brain ]
An idealise form.

We keep the tree shapes simple, because-
[ 1 ] Trinidad is an island that promotes healthy trees and simple old shapes.
[ to find white wood require cliffs facing the sea in the Northern range
more of an oddity than common ]

[ 2 ] Health is more important than Design and after x time the tree outgrows
the design,
Simple shapes last longer.

If a hedging shrub is grown many times.
You can draw the shape and grow the hedge material into it.
A way of showing off.
Good Day
Anthony
Wow...

Anthony, these posts you’ve been writing recently? They show you really don’t don’t know what you’re doing, and show that you’ve wasted yours AND MY time here on BonsaiNut.

As choppy says, all of that is garbage.

8mm soil particles? Look at these roots:

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Would it be possible to grow roots this dense with 8mm marbles and 8mm pieces of crushed bricks as the soil? No.

Wiring “pre-dating” clip and grow? Lol!!! How can anyone with any sense come up with that??? Do you just make this stuff up?

“Trinidad promotes simple old shapes”. Really? Because you live on an island you can’t style a tree into anything other than a simple shape? Your ISLAND restricts your styling? Come clean man, your BRAIN is restricting you. Or K’s brain. Your brain should have NO restrictions! You have the Internet. You should be able to see images from the rest of the world. The only restriction you have is your stubbornness to admit that you are afraid to learn! You INVENT ways to restrict yourself.

“Simple shapes last longer”: this tells me you STILL don’t understand the whole concept of bonsai! Bonsai is living art. It changes constantly. If the fact the tree grows and that frustrates you, you have the wrong hobby. Trees will ALWAYS grow.

Trees should be designed not to meet a certain image, but to have a structure that can be maintained over long periods of time. Sure, they have to be cut back. But they’re cut back so they can continue to grow.

A tree that stops growing is a dead tree.

Anthony, I have spent a considerable amount of my time attempting to educate you. Frankly, I fear it’s been a waste of my time. I don’t want to be rude, but, I’m going to have to tell you, the truth: you have a poor mentor. I have not seen anything in K’s trees that shows me there is any true skill or artistry. Proportions are off. Methods are poor, or outdated. It appears he can draw pretty well, but his designs are stagnant. Limiting to 6 branches? Rubbish! The 1 to 6 rule trunk girth to height? Again, rubbish! Most EVERYTHING you publish as a rule or guideline is either wrong or so out dated it’s laughable.

I have several friends who have put you on ignore. Frankly, I’m tempted.
 

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Er Sifu,
@Adair M ,

8 mm for the tests, it is what you can get to purchase.

What happened to the 3 mm spheres or 3 mm tests ?

Thanks for taking the time to reply.
Remember - different philosophies.
Good Day
Anthony

You show roots I show branchlets.
Much smaller tree as well.

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Er Sifu,
@Adair M ,

8 mm for the tests, it is what you can get to purchase.

What happened to the 3 mm spheres or 3 mm tests ?

Thanks for taking the time to reply.
Remember - different philosophies.
Good Day
Anthony

You show roots I show branchlets.
Much smaller tree as well.

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I’m supposed to be impressed by that?

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My tree is 12 inches tall. My my is WAY smaller than yours. One inch deep in the interior. 8 inches wide.

Does your tree have lots of ramification? Certainly!

Is it a bonsai? Questionable. It’s “pre-bonsai” at best.
 

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Sifu,

a zelkova is the queen of branchlets.
A clerodendron is a test. in the above soil mentiioned, and
grown from scratch.

I believe you get my point.
Thanks for showing - appreciated.
Good Day
Anthony

***Apologies by the way, we don't have to bare root,
mix encourages fine feeder roots.

As I wrote to the group some time ago.
 

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Sifu,

a zelkova is the queen of branchlets.
A clerodendron is a test. in the above soil mentiioned, and
grown from scratch.

I believe you get my point.
Thanks for showing - appreciated.
Good Day
Anthony

***Apologies by the way, we don't have to bare root,
mix encourages fine feeder roots.

As I wrote to the group some time ago.
No, I DONT get your point.

Neither does anyone else.
 

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Sifu,

that is a Japanese cultivar, which you bought,

The clerodendron is a cutting from a yard in Belmont,
an ordinary shrub. Not a cultivar.
Apologies for being rude.
Want to put me on ignore now?
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Anthony, if you had posted something like this:

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I would have been impressed.

The tree you posted... well...
 

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Sifu,

thanks, is it a clerodendron ?

Good level to work towards, thank you.
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Hi Anthony,
Thank you very much for your time and effort to share your experience obtained from years of doing bonsai in tropical area. This is invaluable information for whoever living in tropical countries with 6 months of rain yearly. Your soil mix is perfect for that reason. I will let my fellows know about this info. Again, thank you for posting here. Have a nice Sunday there.
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Hi Anthony,
Thank you very much for your time and effort to share your experience obtained from years of doing bonsai in tropical area. This is invaluable information for whoever living in tropical countries with 6 months of rain yearly. Your soil mix is perfect for that reason. I will let my fellows know about this info. Again, thank you for posting here. Have a nice Sunday there.
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One more thing, one of the big problems of growing JBP in the tropical areas is fungal infection. One can not apply normal pruning which we do in our temperate climate for tropical areas. The technique is a little different and time of pruning is different to avoid the ability of fungal infection. I know a couple of guys in Vietnam just copied the way we take care the JBP here on their extensive JBP seedlings. They almost lost every thing due to fungal attack episodes.
So, I am not surprised why your way of taking care your trees is different with people living in temperate climate. :)
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DISCLAIMER - @Anthony does not grow Bonsai and has never grown Bonsai. His total sum of practical Bonsai knowledge is watering garden plants. His "knowledge" comes from 30+ year old books and he refuses to accept any modern techniques. He only knows one person that claims to do Bonsai but they actually only plant tree species in pots for a few years that only become clip and grow shrubs that don't resemble Bonsai in any way. Please DO NOT take care or styling advice from this user.
 

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@bonhe ,

Thu,

what was noticed is that needles often age in two years.
They show as brown tips, before going completely brown.
Also candles begin to shorten down to 1 cm.

Major pruning is done in our cooler months and when the
air is at under 60 % humidity, with full sun.
Or simply under full sun and plenty wind.

Thus far have had no problems.

Pots are also porous. Cement or Pottery.

New plants are from hardwood cuttings. Take 5 and 1 will
normally root.
Have 5 or so seeds that took to the climate and all new stock
comes from them as cuttings.
The entries in the 6 year J.B.pine will be given away as gifts
to others who grow Bonsai seriously.
Good Day
Anthony
 

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Anthony,

Thu,

what was noticed is that needles often age in two years.
They show as brown tips, before going completely brown.
Also candles begin to shorten down to 1 cm.

Anthony, thank you very much for your sharing your experience. Our people really need that since they have only involved into JBP for about 9 years since we created the Vietnamese Conifers Bonsai Club in Vietnam. Because I am not living in Vietnam, I cannot get hand on experience there. By saying that, I really appreciate your information. I am in process to find tune the growing bonsai method of JBP in Vietnam.
Yes, I can see the needles, internodes, and candles length are really short there. I am thinking this phenomenon is possible due to a lot sunlight with extreme heat and humidity. It is one of advantages to grow JBP in tropical, but its disadvantage is that it creates multiple "risky micro- areas" ( I also named it as " critical area") within a tree, which can contribute to fungal infection.


Major pruning is done in our cooler months and when the
air is at under 60 % humidity, with full sun.
Or simply under full sun and plenty wind.
Thus far have had no problems.

Wow. Good observation. It is exactly what I thought it should be based on fungal physiology. I hope you don't mind me quoting your experience in my near future guidance for my fellows

Pots are also porous. Cement or Pottery.
Good point.

New plants are from hardwood cuttings. Take 5 and 1 will
normally root.
Have 5 or so seeds that took to the climate and all new stock
comes from them as cuttings.

In Vietnam, the rate of JBP cutting success is really high as far as I know. I don't have exact number!

The entries in the 6 year J.B.pine will be given away as gifts
to others who grow Bonsai seriously.

Bravo, Anthony!
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Sifu,

thanks, is it a clerodendron ?

Good level to work towards, thank you.
Good Day
Anthony
Yes, it is a clerodendron. Not mine, I found it on the Internet.

The Internet is a useful tool, Anthony. You might learn something if you were to use it to EDUCATE yourself!
 
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