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I purchased this JWP in 2013 and repotted it in 2014
According to the tag it had on it, it is the Pent-Azuma cultivar, whatever that means.
If anyone knows or can find out about that cultivar or point me in the right direction, I would appreciate it!

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I repotted it again in 2016 and fed it. It grew really well this year so last month decided to do some work on it:

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Yes, I know it needs to be wired which will happen this fall.
I know I need to deal with the roots at some point
It needs backbudding closer to the trunk.
I am still feeding it etc.
Anything else I can do to try and get these to back bud or am I wasting my time?

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Para, Pentaphyllum is the older name. Parviflora is now used. Azuma is the cultivar and is similar to Miajima which most people are familiar. Growth characteristics are virtually the same. They bud back well on strong trees. It needs growing another few years in the container it's in inorder to concentrate on development . This fall leave the extension bud on each branch and concentrate "bonsai" work on the shoots that will remain inside the eventual silhouette. Next year re-assess the overall strength and start reducing needles on the extension and leave only the extension bud. If in the end you still don't have the buds you want there will be good scion material for grafting.
 

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Para, Pentaphyllum is the older name. Parviflora is now used. Azuma is the cultivar and is similar to Miajima which most people are familiar. Growth characteristics are virtually the same. They bud back well on strong trees. It needs growing another few years in the container it's in inorder to concentrate on development . This fall leave the extension bud on each branch and concentrate "bonsai" work on the shoots that will remain inside the eventual silhouette. Next year re-assess the overall strength and start reducing needles on the extension and leave only the extension bud. If in the end you still don't have the buds you want there will be good scion material for grafting.
*bows with gratitude*
thank you kind sir for that explaination
 

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I'm beginning to think pine needles hate trunks and try to stay as far away from the trunk as they can. 😜
 

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Here is an update for this pine.

Thinned needles and wired down some newer branches that werent thick enough to wire last year.
Thinking the lowest branch on the left front might need to be removed.
While you still can, put some movement into the top 1/3 section that emerges from the whirl of branches. You probably won’t be able to bend it with just wire, it’s going to need a piece of rebar and a block of wood, with a jack of some kind for leverage. Great workshop project with a pro.
 

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While you still can, put some movement into the top 1/3 section that emerges from the whirl of branches. You probably won’t be able to bend it with just wire, it’s going to need a piece of rebar and a block of wood, with a jack of some kind for leverage. Great workshop project with a pro.
I bet John Romano would be able to help...
 

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I bet John Romano would be able to help...
Actually, John saw this tree last year. I took it to my study group with him.

He did look at the tree quite a bit, but did not suggest bending the top with rebar.
I see what you're getting at but think that would be difficult to accomplish. I'll test how bendable that top is when I get home.

He did say he liked the tree and that it might be show able in a club show like the one at NEBG in a couple of years.
 
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I'm beginning to think pine needles hate trunks and try to stay as far away from the trunk as they can. 😜
I think it's a little habit they have of trying to get sun and have the lower branches not be shaded by the top ones.
 

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Hey!! Is that thing growing on its own roots?! If not, that's one hell of a graft. Stopped checking nurseries for JWP because that JBP understock always looked bloated
 

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AHA I see the graft now, but it's a good one. Nice, just a rgular landscape nursery?
 

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AHA I see the graft now, but it's a good one. Nice, just a rgular landscape nursery?
Yes I purchased it at a regular landscape nursery. It wasn't cheap for a landscape nursery tree, but yes the graft is excellent. Not sure what it is grafted to except that it's not JBP. Might be eastern white pine but again not sure.

I agree with you. I pass by most JWP in bonsai places/websites for the same reason. The graphs look terrible and hideous and I can't see spending the money they want on them for something so ugly.
 
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Yes EWP was my first thought but sylvestris sounds like a good possibility too. Hopefully it is EWP, because they bark up much slower, just like JWP
 

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I think it's a little habit they have of trying to get sun and have the lower branches not be shaded by the top ones.
Sure. I know that. But the subject tree doesn't look like the branches should be shaded out. Seems fairly open to me.
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Actually, John saw this tree last year. I took it to my study group with him.

He did look at the tree quite a bit, but did not suggest bending the top with rebar.
I see what you're getting at but think that would be difficult to accomplish. I'll test how bendable that top is when I get home.

He did say he liked the tree and that it might be show able in a club show like the one at NEBG in a couple of years.
Romano’s lazy! Lol!!!

Beside’s he’s a Shohin guy. Lol!!
 
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