Kiwi’s Larch Forest Restoration.

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Largest tree should never be dead center. The off center placement adds movement to the forest. This forest moves to the left, remember that as you create branches and apex designs.

The spacing of the trees in this forest is actually pretty good. I would not re-arrange the trees, unless they fall apart when repotted. If they are partially, or fully fused at the roots, I would not try to re-arrange them.
 

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Hi all,
I have been lucky enough to be given this old (30 odd years) Larch forest. Unfortunately this forest has been left to get old without keeping any lower branches (or they died off etc).

Front, boxes to got regrowth
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Back
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I am planning on trying my hand at thread grafting to refurbish some lower branches
Tagging a couple of people for advice - @Forsoothe! , @Paulpash.
Orhers advice is of course welcome.
Charles
I would also be looking to add more trees but I think the back has a better feel then the front. The main tree from the current front looks like it’s in pretty rough shape. A new largest tree with the new front something like this could look pretty nice
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I would also be looking to add more trees but I think the back has a better feel then the front. The main tree from the current front looks like it’s in pretty rough shape. A new largest tree with the new front something like this could look pretty nice
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Hi,
Thank you for your virtual here. It has given me another idea/option to ponder for sure.
Charles
 

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Largest tree should never be dead center. The off center placement adds movement to the forest. This forest moves to the left, remember that as you create branches and apex designs.

The spacing of the trees in this forest is actually pretty good. I would not re-arrange the trees, unless they fall apart when repotted. If they are partially, or fully fused at the roots, I would not try to re-arrange them.
Hi Leo,
Thank you for your comments. They are helpful going forward, as I have a few forests in baby stages to prune, repot, and rearrange next winter as I now realise that symmetry is not a good thing in Bonsai.
Charles
 

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Hi Charles this is what id do if this were mine.

1) I'd remove the tree in red and style it as its own windswept style tree. This would also make the remaining 7 trees look closer together.
2) Since all trees have a similar finishing height I would raise the trees up in the soil line (blue circle) to create a mound/hill to make the heights of the trees different.
3) Once trees have been planted on a mound prune to try create a more triangular canopy. Orange line.
 

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Additionally you could use the red tree into a raft as it looks like it has 5 branches that could become new smaller trees, maybe you could add it to the backside of the forest? I'm unsure how well larches grow new roots though if been layered. I think the technique would be scoring/exposing on one side so the cambium shows then apply hormone and lay the tree flat on sphagnum. I think it could look cool to have like a fallen over tree growing new baby trees at the back of the forest.
 

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Additionally you could use the red tree into a raft as it looks like it has 5 branches that could become new smaller trees, maybe you could add it to the backside of the forest? I'm unsure how well larches grow new roots though if been layered. I think the technique would be scoring/exposing on one side so the cambium shows then apply hormone and lay the tree flat on sphagnum. I think it could look cool to have like a fallen over tree growing new baby trees at the back of the forest.
Hi,
Thank you for your comments and design ideas. I am seriously conflicted between which I would like the front. I think I need a few more little trees, and your raft idea is worth thinking about.
The last concerning part of the design/restoration is the “dead” tree.
1. Remove altogether
2. Lay it down to be a old rotting tree
3. Leave it alone as forests do have dead trees which haven’t blown over yet etc.

What do you and others think about the dead tree?
Charles
 

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Hi All,
Just wanting to tag a couple of other members to gauge some more opinions. So then in a few months I can start planning some changes.
Could @crust, and @Adair M please share opinions and ideas? My previous post I wanted some thoughts on - about the dead tree - thank you
Charles
 

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I kinda like the dead trunk. It needs some little trees on the left to show the forest is rejuvenating, in spite of the dead mother tree. Make sure to vary the height of all the trees.

I would not separate these trees. The only time you would do some thing like that is if you were to add a tree into the middle. An established forest of multiple trunks is maintained as a single unit.

I know Forsoothe offered his avatar as proof of separating. Just look at it! It shows no maturity, all the trunks are equistant, they’re all about the same caliper. Sorry, he may like it, me, not so much.

Saburo Kato wrote a great book on forests. It’s available at Stone Lanturn.

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it’s pretty much the definitive guide on forests.
 

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What do you and others think about the dead tree?
Bonsai forest are about creating the illusion of a forest. I would not add the dead tree. To me it indicates a failure to care for it properly. Furthermore it will be a host to borers etc which you really do not want. Take it out and replace or add enough young plants to create the illusion of a forest in mature stage with several levels of age.
 
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