Morphs I have known..... hybrids in nature

[Deep Sea Diver]

For years collecting samples of the conifers of the Pacific Northwest in the Cascades for science students, we always ended running into morphs, or hybrids. One case of two species seemingly hybridizing frequently was of two fir trees, Silver Fir and Noble Fir. We never ran DNA into the woods, yet we’d find trees a looking little like both, but not either. Students need a clear cut example, so we didn't sample any of these.

Just for fun last winter I ordered 12 Autumn Blaze Maple seedlings from Sault St Marie, MI area to see if we could make a good forest out of these. 11 are clearly Autumn Blaze, 1 struggled for a bit this spring, then budded out a bumper crop of really interesting leaves. I think might be morph. If someone knows better, please let me know. Here’s photos of each.

Otherwise do any other folks have photos of examples of morphs?

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[rodeolthr]

It will be interesting to see if the leaf type remains the same next year.

 

[Deep Sea Diver]

That’s what I’m wondering too. I thought they were just juvenile leaves, as the others had 2-3 that weren’t fully formed. Yet each new pair looks the same so far.
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[HorseloverFat]

Posting to be kept informed.. as I am interested.

The title reminds me of two books by Chemist Alexander “Sasha” Shulgin..

PIKHAL and TIHKAL

(Phenethylamines I have known and loved)

(Tryptamines I have known and loved)

 

[NaoTK]

I am stickler for terminology so I apologize, but I would advise using the term "variety" instead of "morph." If your new leaf type is stable you can name it as a cultivar, which is a cultivated variety.

 

[HorseloverFat]

I am stickler for terminology so I apologize, but I would advise using the term "variety" instead of "morph." If your new leaf type is stable you can name it as a cultivar, which is a cultivated variety.

Hehe!

If I was a cultivar....

I believe “Morph” would be an offensive slur.

 

[penumbra]

Posting to be kept informed.. as I am interested.

The title reminds me of two books by Chemist Alexander “Sasha” Shulgin..

PIKHAL and TIHKAL

(Phenethylamines I have known and loved)

(Tryptamines I have known and loved)

Not too many folks can get through those books although a lot of people reference them.

 

[HorseloverFat]

Not too many folks can get through those books although a lot of people reference them.

It’s tough.. also because he and his wife “experience” those chemicals differently than I... Sasha said he relies heavily on the tactile... while my experiences almost always manifest (predominantly) visual..

It was interesting to read some of the ONLY audible-affecting phenethylamines...

Yes.. I used it mainly for reference..

The “creation” details made complete sense to me... I just lacked materials and proper equipment at that time..

That’s probably for the best.

 

[Deep Sea Diver]

So I guess we shall see if this is a case of a “cultivar” “variety” or just an extended childhood.

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[Wires_Guy_wires]

Seems some kind of abscisic acid malfunction, cool! In plants at least.. In humans it rarely means a person gets older than the age of 40.

 

[Forsoothe!]

I'm no expert, but I'd bet your deviant Maples are sterile, or at least not self-fertile. Have fun with them, but don't expect them to procreate. If you had two, that would be a horse of a different color...

 

[Deep Sea Diver]

This little maple continues to thrive in a heater skeleton sort of way. Next year I’ll try to get a cutting started.

best,
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[TinyArt]

Who needs a mudman, when y'got a rubber ducky?

 

[HorseloverFat]

Who needs a mudman, when y'got a rubber ducky?

At FIRST glance, I thought it was a children’s toy replica of a “sunny-side-up” egg!

 

[Deep Sea Diver]

Following up on an older thread

Two years later ….

They Autumn Blaze mutant continues to push.
(can’t be a cultivar per @NaoTK as the leaf shape is not stable)

The mutant’s roots were worked and the tree was put in a box this year. Got just a tad fired last week





The lead types continue to vary widely



Will cut it back at some point in the future. Likely sooner then later

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[KikurageOtomo]

For years collecting samples of the conifers of the Pacific Northwest in the Cascades for science students, we always ended running into morphs, or hybrids. One case of two species seemingly hybridizing frequently was of two fir trees, Silver Fir and Noble Fir. We never ran DNA into the woods, yet we’d find trees a looking little like both, but not either. Students need a clear cut example, so we didn't sample any of these.

Just for fun last winter I ordered 12 Autumn Blaze Maple seedlings from Sault St Marie, MI area to see if we could make a good forest out of these. 11 are clearly Autumn Blaze, 1 struggled for a bit this spring, then budded out a bumper crop of really interesting leaves. I think might be morph. If someone knows better, please let me know. Here’s photos of each.

Otherwise do any other folks have photos of examples of morphs?

cheers
DSD sends
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Brent from Evergreen sells Prunus mume x which is a hybrid resulting from open air pollination between a 'WB Clarke' and what he presumes is Prunus americana. It seems to be more akin to its americana lineage, but the hybridization appears to have given it some notable benefits as a tradeoff. I'm not holding my breath, but im curious to see how this variety pans out for bonsai.

 

[Mikecheck123]

For only $30, Utah State will do a DNA test. It's how I solved my hybrid elm mystery that I puzzled over for years.

(Spoiler alert: it was a European white elm (Ulmus laevis) somehow growing in Kansas).

 

[Deep Sea Diver]

Brent from Evergreen sells Prunus mume x which is a hybrid resulting from open air pollination between a 'WB Clarke' and what he presumes is Prunus americana. It seems to be more akin to its americana lineage. I'm not holding my breath, but im curious to see how this variety pans out for bonsai.

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Nice! Looks like great information to start a thread about to.

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[Deep Sea Diver]

For only $30, Utah State will do a DNA test. It's how I solved my hybrid elm mystery that I puzzled over for years.

(Spoiler alert: it was a European white elm (Ulmus laevis) somehow growing in Kansas).

That would be awesome… do you still have the contact information? If so can you please PM me?

Yet It’s almost like @Wires_Guy_wires mentioned earlier, it seems despite the heritage, it seems at least the leaf shape genetic information isn’t being expressed properly.

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[pandacular]

looks like arugula!