Mugo Pines again

Vance Wood

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I guess; considering the time of year, it is not surprising that I have turned to the INTERNET bonsai sites, specifically Youtube videos for Mugo Pine information. I am not quite so interested to find out some new stuff other than design information, there is a good deal of that from European sources.

However; I was appalled at how much really bad stuff there is out there about this tree. If people posted stuff of this quality about JBP you would see people climbing out of the wood work in protest. At this point I would suggest anyone interested in Mugo Pine could look look at a lot of this information as suggestions and recommendations of what not to do.

There are three or four videos where you have people doing demonstrations with trees that they don't have a clue as to what it is they are doing, why they are doing it and what they expect to happen a year down the road. They are totally lost but somehow thought, that the Mugo was an easy target for a demo-video and blundered they way in the disasters that followed. The results from those that survived and were exhibited as bonsai (?) would never occupy a place of honor on any bonsai bench. Am I boasting a better skill lever? Absolutely not but I have a different approach that is not afraid of removing a lot of material from these trees most of these other people will not.

It has been my experience that I am just about the only fool in America that has taken the Mugo Pine seriously. Most everybody else cannot get the image of all of these "sheared for the nursery trade" trees out of their minds and only consider the Mugo a novelty tree suitable for beginners to get their hands dirty with. Most do not have a Mugo sitting on their bench good, bad or dead. Their experience has only been in kiling them and recommending the same kind of treatment they have always used to kill them in the past. Instead of coming to a conclusion that they are doing something wrong they blame where they live as the reason they die. I wonder how that happens????? Never the less I guess I have discovered what my next project is going to be.
 
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Well... what is that project going to be?

I've had one on the bench before. Died promptly after wrong-season work. I only learned that having met you and I thank you for that information. Another go at it this year I believe.
 
Well... what is that project going to be?

I've had one on the bench before. Died promptly after wrong-season work. I only learned that having met you and I thank you for that information. Another go at it this year I believe.

What I am thinking about doing is a YouTube video series on the curlture, design and care of the Mugo Pine. l figure it will take about a year to get the essentials together. After seeing what is actually out there with a few exceptions most of that information is crap. Essentially the problem resides in the gap in years between the nature of the Mugos we have in this country, young underdeveloped nursery trees, and the hundreds of years old Yamidoris in Europe. They are the same trees, we here in America have to discover how to get the young stuff to look like the old stuff.
 
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I think that would be fab Vance. A picture says a thousand words, a video says a million ......
 
I think that would be fab Vance. A picture says a thousand words, a video says a million ......

We'll see if I can pull it off. As I said earlier what is out there is so bad except that stuff dealing with old European collected trees.
 
If not a youtube video, how about a PDF like BVF has done for JBPs?

SO much acronym.

How does the PDF thing work? I thought you had to have a copy of Acrobat to publish stuff in PDF. As to BVF I don't even know what that is?
 
How does the PDF thing work? I thought you had to have a copy of Acrobat to publish stuff in PDF. As to BVF I don't even know what that is?

LOL you old codger ! :) I believe that BVF is Brian Van Fleet. All joking aside I would love to see you do videos of your work with Mugos, as your results speak volumes of your knowledge and artistry with this species of pine. The videos could be shot with a low end camera with video capabilities for a reasonable price and would essentially leave a permanent legacy for those who would follow you to learn from.

ed
 
How does the PDF thing work? I thought you had to have a copy of Acrobat to publish stuff in PDF. As to BVF I don't even know what that is?

If you don't have Acrobat, you could design the document in Micro$oft Word and convert it afterwards... I'd be glad to help with that conversion.
 
I would love to know more about them. They are the one pine around here that every box store and nursary carries. It would be very cheap to try your guidelines on one of those trees to learn how they develope.
 
Hi Vance,
I see that I'm not the only one looking to you for information on how to grow, design and keep Mugo's alive.
Cheers Graham
 
Hi Vance,
I see that I'm not the only one looking to you for information on how to grow, design and keep Mugo's alive.
Cheers Graham

Actually our conversation was probably the seed that started this thing to grow.

Hopefully the two projects will over-lap. Any one interested in this at all; I would appreciate any suggestion as to subjects to cover. I'm pretty sure what is necessary but I would like to know what all of you think.
 
Hey Vance,
I am stoked about you doing a video about Mugo Pines. I live in Southern California and am not sure if I can keep them alive here. However I still am interested in your expertise and experience with them.
Looking forward to it!!
Tona
 
LOL you old codger ! :) I believe that BVF is Brian Van Fleet. All joking aside I would love to see you do videos of your work with Mugos, as your results speak volumes of your knowledge and artistry with this species of pine. The videos could be shot with a low end camera with video capabilities for a reasonable price and would essentially leave a permanent legacy for those who would follow you to learn from.

ed

That is kind of what I had in mind. A series of videos could be a valuable asset. The fact that I could document what I have been talking about would please me as well as those who are seeking knowledge from them. I don't now know or even hazard a guess how many times I have had people come to me with a tree they purchased at a nursery claiming that they looked at it according to my instructions only to find out that is not actually the case. Sometimes; people understand only what they think they heard and I have found that many times, people can be deaf to things they don't understand in the first place.

I look at some of the Videos of Mugos on the NET and I find it hard to believe that most of these people have any bonsai at all let alone a Mugo bonsai. I remember one of them where they at least had the courage to post photos of the tree six months to a year latter and the tree was dying. In the first video of this tree he potted it in summer as he claimed but it was only May. Guess what?,--- May is not summer. I have lost Mugos I repotted in May, but not a single one repotted after the middle June. What a difference a couple of weeks makes.
 
Hell yea I'm interested. Things can sometimes get confusing when it's just words on a page, especially to the beginner. Any video that allows the viewer to see you work on trees and show actual techniques will have an incredible value. And to have you do it about a species which you are so knowledgable and passionate about only increases that value.
 
Vance, I was asking for a book or even a place where all of you information regarding Mugo was put together in one place. I look forward to a video. That would really pull everything together for many of us.

I was going to do a search and try to put together a check list. As always, thank you for all of your info.

JoeDes
 
That's a great idea Vance, and there is so many bad demos on all types of trees from what I've seen, its laughable.What were they thinking.
 
- May is not summer. I have lost Mugos I repotted in May, but not a single one repotted after the middle June. What a difference a couple of weeks makes.
Vance, I know you may have a tendency to overreact, so take this in the spirit it is intended. I followed your advice for when and how to lift a mugo from my garden, and it went down in flames. Now I know something got lost in the translation, but that is my point. What you have forgotten about mugos most of the rest of the bonsai public will never know. So somehow, going over stuff that you think is obvious still needs to be explained, so that people like me with 25 years successfully keeping and styling bonsai can get it right. Not blaming you at all, just trying to explain that I obviously did not do something right, and I dont understand what it was. A detailed video might help explain how to do it right. That is something that would be valuable to people like me.
 
Vance, I know you may have a tendency to overreact, so take this in the spirit it is intended. I followed your advice for when and how to lift a mugo from my garden, and it went down in flames. Now I know something got lost in the translation, but that is my point. What you have forgotten about mugos most of the rest of the bonsai public will never know. So somehow, going over stuff that you think is obvious still needs to be explained, so that people like me with 25 years successfully keeping and styling bonsai can get it right. Not blaming you at all, just trying to explain that I obviously did not do something right, and I dont understand what it was. A detailed video might help explain how to do it right. That is something that would be valuable to people like me.

Do you remember what time of year you dug the tree out of the garden? I look forward to asking a lot of questions about that episode. I don't claim to know everything about Mugos there is to know. All I know for sure is that I seem to have more experience with them than most, except those living in Europe. I look forward to learning more about them and not trying to dodge anything that does not fit my findings.
 
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