My brazilian rain tree and I have a question for you...

Alain

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hi there,
Some of you may remember that last Thanksgiving I bought a BRT in Fl:
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Life was nice, more than 70 F end of November, the turkey was good and the Bears kicked some Packers asses on top of it.
The Holidays unfortunately never last very long and on the following Saturday my wife, my tree and I had to take the plane, back home for my wife and I and to its new home for the tree.

It was not impressed, not impressed at all, by its first X-ray at the security of Miami international, its trip to Chicago as a hand luggage and the weather waiting for it at his new home.

The leaves immediately started to fall and keep doing so all winter until the tree actually looks like this:
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I keep watering it regularly but I was resigned, one more tropical lost this year, until yesterday, first really hot day here, when I put it outside for the day.
I was looking at it thinking it might certainly end-up lightning a BBQ soon when I remarked this:
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May be not easy to see on the picture because they are really small but each black line actually points to a bud, and there are tons of them, one per node more or less and there are a truckload of nodes!

So it seems that my BRT isn't dead after-all, in fact it seems quite alive on the contrary! :)

Now the question:
My wife, who is a very sweet and gentle person, thinks I should let it grow its new leafs before doing anything else.

I understand the principle but: I want to get ride of some branches. So I was wondering if that couldn't be a good idea to remove these branches now, while the tree is budding, as like that it would be able to concentrate its energy on the buds from the branches that will actually stay instead of loosing a lot of energy with buds on branches that will go anyway.

What do you think? The gentle option or the more drastic one?
 
I would help you out here, but as I'm a Packers fan (and owner...) I'm not sure that I can do that in good conscience. But it's ok, cause we usually are the ones doing the ass kicking, so here goes.
My raintree looses all it's leaves on occasion, right now for instance. What I do is wait till the buds start forming and are getting big, then I cut back to about a 1/4 inch from them on branches that I want to shorten.
If yours has been leafless for that long though, you may want to let it recover, and do this cutting later after it has built up some steam. Keep an eye out for health issues, as one more setback when it's throwing new leaves could be the end for it.
 
If it was mine, I'd cut it back and remove the branches I don't want. But, its not mine, its yours, and by your account, you practically killed it already.

You need to figure out what you are going to do with this tree. I'd be less concerned about trimming or not trimming, and more concerned with figuring out why you can't get it to grow. BRT are prone to dropping leaves with sudden environmental changes. The fact that it dropped its leaves is not surprising. What is surprising is that it did not immediately regrow them and keep them. I cannot answer that, other than to tell you that you are not providing the proper growing conditions. Until you provide this tree with proper year round growing conditions, decisions about cutting now versus later are immaterial.
 
Hey Alain! When I bring my Raintree indoors in September, it gradually loses it's leaves. That's a given. It will go almost four months with almost no leaves! I believe this has to do with the temperature I keep my house, around 62-63 degrees, (that's cold, we're cheap!). Around Christmas or the first of the new year, we turn it up a bit, get it into the mid to upper 60's. The plant will begin to move at this point and be leafed out in a month.

Don't do anything until you can get it outside and growing. Anything you get to grow on it now will defoliate itself once you get it outside. Try to keep your lower branches vigorous, let them grow out long and keep hard on the top. This is a really tough tree. But it will abandon lower branches if you cut them too often. I might be tempted to just keep it inside for a year to recover. Nahhhhh.....:cool:
 
She already knows....!

I know, she keeps reminding me :)

I would help you out here, but as I'm a Packers fan (and owner...) I'm not sure that I can do that in good conscience. But it's ok, cause we usually are the ones doing the ass kicking, so here goes.
My raintree looses all it's leaves on occasion, right now for instance. What I do is wait till the buds start forming and are getting big, then I cut back to about a 1/4 inch from them on branches that I want to shorten.
If yours has been leafless for that long though, you may want to let it recover, and do this cutting later after it has built up some steam. Keep an eye out for health issues, as one more setback when it's throwing new leaves could be the end for it.

Oh well, nevertheless, first time ever Cutler won a game in Green Bay, I though it was worth mentioning :p
Anyway thanks a lot for putting aside your partisan's feeling for the good cause: help me not to kill my tree (who cheers for the Dolphins anyway ;) )
My tree has actually never been totally leafless (as you can see on the 2nd picture even now some leafs remain) but let say that it has been doing it's best to reach this point since last November :confused:

If it was mine, I'd cut it back and remove the branches I don't want. But, its not mine, its yours, and by your account, you practically killed it already.

You need to figure out what you are going to do with this tree. I'd be less concerned about trimming or not trimming, and more concerned with figuring out why you can't get it to grow. BRT are prone to dropping leaves with sudden environmental changes. The fact that it dropped its leaves is not surprising. What is surprising is that it did not immediately regrow them and keep them. I cannot answer that, other than to tell you that you are not providing the proper growing conditions. Until you provide this tree with proper year round growing conditions, decisions about cutting now versus later are immaterial.

Thanks for your answer however:
- I always knew what I wanted to do with that tree;
- I'm pretty sure that going from 80-90F to 55-60F and try to survive that was the main reason why me tree didn't really bother regrowing leaves until last week-end;
- as I don't plan to build a greenhouse in our living room let's say that the 'proper growing conditions' will be in the hands of God, or the Meteo guy on WGN, most certainly the meteo guy...
:)

Hey Alain! When I bring my Raintree indoors in September, it gradually loses it's leaves. That's a given. It will go almost four months with almost no leaves! I believe this has to do with the temperature I keep my house, around 62-63 degrees, (that's cold, we're cheap!). Around Christmas or the first of the new year, we turn it up a bit, get it into the mid to upper 60's. The plant will begin to move at this point and be leafed out in a month.

Don't do anything until you can get it outside and growing. Anything you get to grow on it now will defoliate itself once you get it outside. Try to keep your lower branches vigorous, let them grow out long and keep hard on the top. This is a really tough tree. But it will abandon lower branches if you cut them too often. I might be tempted to just keep it inside for a year to recover. Nahhhhh.....:cool:

Wow thanks to you @JudyB and @LanceMac10 for teaching me that from time to time (essentially with us Northerners) BRT actually act like if they were deciduous! ;)
That's a relief to learn that this behavior is in fact quite common when they freeze their buts.

It's never really hot at our place neither, and furthermore at the beginning I put it together with it's new serissa buddy, in front of a widow on the second floor where it's actually colder than on the 1st floor, both floors being colder than the basement (there is a T gradient in our house which reverses during summer).
My serissa just loved this winter setting, the BRT not so much, I took it down 1 floor very quickly but the leafs dropping process was already started.
Next winter I plan to put it in the basement: it will have less light but more heat and it seems that this is the main point.
Since Saturday it has been in the yard, no direct sun except in the morning, and I bring it back inside in the evening. This will be like that until we reach the real nice weather with up to 60-65 F at night.

I don't plan to cut the lower branches too often however I plan to get definitively rid of some of them. Once again not easy to see on the picture but some lower branches are in pair - blue lines - so I plan to keep just one and remove the weakest one. Also there are some individual low branches I plan to remove.
But the most part of the pruning will be on the top branches, to reduce the inter-nodes and also start to increase the density of the 'foliage' pads (sounds like a bad joke right now! :confused:) and multiply the amount of gnarly little branches to ends-up with something more or less like that (elephants not included o_O):

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:)
 
I would help you out here, but as I'm a Packers fan (and owner...) I'm not sure that I can do that in good conscience. But it's ok, cause we usually are the ones doing the ass kicking, so here goes.
My raintree looses all it's leaves on occasion, right now for instance. What I do is wait till the buds start forming and are getting big, then I cut back to about a 1/4 inch from them on branches that I want to shorten.
If yours has been leafless for that long though, you may want to let it recover, and do this cutting later after it has built up some steam. Keep an eye out for health issues, as one more setback when it's throwing new leaves could be the end for it.


I don't know BRTs but you folks don't know football... let me help:

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I don't know BRTs but you folks don't know football... let me help:

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Well sounds like you guys will pretty soon become Hockey fans...
Are they planing to artificially freeze the Hoover dam reservoir for a Winter classic or something :p
 
Oops...I just realized that my future plans with the tree are even harder to see on the picture if I don't post the aforementioned picture :oops:
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Thanks for your answer however:
- I always knew what I wanted to do with that tree;
- I'm pretty sure that going from 80-90F to 55-60F and try to survive that was the main reason why me tree didn't really bother regrowing leaves until last week-end;
- as I don't plan to build a greenhouse in our living room let's say that the 'proper growing conditions' will be in the hands of God, or the Meteo guy on WGN, most certainly the meteo guy...
:)

That is exactly my point. Unless and until you provide the proper environment, the rest really does not matter. If you want it to thrive then buy a real grow light, keep it warm and use a humidity tray. Otherwise, it will suffer while indoors and slowly deteriorate.
 
I place mine on a seedling heat mat all winter, and under a fluorescent in a South facing window. Not that much trouble, and will make the tree a lot happier...
 
Yep I'll find a better setting for it next winter.
Certainly not a 'tropical growing device' for one only $25 tree but some better place (may be in the atrium at my job, lots of light there and the University pays the heating :) ).

Ah, and furthermore no special trip scheduled for it in the foreseen future, this year we stay put on Thanksgiving and we already decided that even if we travel it will stay home with its other buddies :D
 
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My neighbor's. He has some fancy lights! Shot from Jan.....
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"Better" look at the base.....
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Bottom branch on viewer's right. Finally convinced him to let the bottom branches run long. Cut the top much more than the bottom. This branch might be on the way out if it doesn't get some light and vigor.:(:mad:....
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I sold all mine when I got out of tropicals, but the last couple years I kept mine under grow lights all winter. This was my favorite.
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Nice :cool:
How many years?

Mine looked much more like the one from @LanceMac10 's neigbhor not so long ago and hopefully will go back looking like that pretty soon (the buds are budding).
The main difference being the bark, my tree's is mossy. I guess a difference of peeling time :)
 
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