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This was an odd year in our vegetable garden. I treated the soil as usual with compost, gypsum, and other modifiers. Then I planted the rows as the plan called for but we had a few surprises. First, my beans, carrots, and lettuce never came in. It was the first time in this yard with all three of them so I wasn't too heart broke over it.

As the new plants never came in I never got around to hoeing those rows. It was an interesting experiment. I got 13 tomato plants of various species and 9 unidentified plants. Because I was reasonably sure the 9 plants were not vegetables but did want to know what they were I carefully dug them out of the garden and transplanted them into pots. Here we are some 6 months later and with the help of my local nursery I have 7 more or less identified saplings.

The first few were easy to identify. Those are 2 Mangoes and 1 Avocado. I was able to make that determination based on the seeds they were growing from. I had 2 each of 2 other plants that I had to take down to the nursery. It was an interesting study in plant identification that ended up with a small crowd of 5 specialists trying to identify my plants. The final verdict was that I most likely had 2 ash and 2 coral trees and was told to bring them back when they had flowers.

I am not even new to bonsai yet. I was fascinated by it several years ago but I was in the Marine Corps and the threat of constant travel kept my enthusiasm in check. Watching these saplings grow along side the 2 coffee plants I have been able to germinate and maintain I have begun to play with the idea that Maybe I could start practicing Bonsai.

I am going to have a lot of questions. I'll do quite a bit of research on my own but this is a new hobby and I'm way out of my depth right now. I know that if any of these trees are viable for Bonsai it'll be years before they'll be ready but I've watched paint dry and grass grow before.

I do a lot of hiking around my house. I live almost smack dab in the middle between the ocean and the Cleavland National Forest. It is mostly Chaparral around me mixed with dry creek beds and grass covered hills. My hike tomorrow morning will have a new focus. I'll be on the lookout for a tempting Coast Live Oak, Canyon Live Oak, or Coast Scrub Oak (or maybe just an acorn or two). Oaks have always been my favorite trees.
 
I do a lot of hiking around my house. I live almost smack dab in the middle between the ocean and the Cleavland National Forest. It is mostly Chaparral around me mixed with dry creek beds and grass covered hills. My hike tomorrow morning will have a new focus. I'll be on the lookout for a tempting Coast Live Oak, Canyon Live Oak, or Coast Scrub Oak (or maybe just an acorn or two). Oaks have always been my favorite trees.

Just please remember that you need to have permission from the landowner -- private, corporate, state or federal -- before you dig.

And welcome to the sport of bonsai.
 
As Jim said, permission to collect is a cardinal rule for bonsaiists. Failure to get it can result in some very bad situations for you, the tree and the landowner. Also, unethical collection reflects on the bonsai community as a whole.

The local clubs in California have the most experienced collectors in the country who have been doing it for something like 60 years. Take advantage of their knowledge and experience.

Lastly and certainly not least, thank you for your service to your country. We all appreciate it.
 
Welcome to Bonsai :) Next time we have our Orange County Study Group you should join us - we often meet up in Lake Forest...
 
Thanks for the advice, and quite honestly I do not intend to collect anything today or in the near future as I don't know what makes good material yet and I'm fairly sure that right now is not the best time to collect anything. If I find acorns I may pick a couple up but I imagine they have already been collected by the local wildlife. I do plan on collecting photos however and trying to figure out my next move.
 
(or maybe just an acorn or two). Oaks have always been my favorite trees.

I second that! have fun!

I recommend going to the individual tree pages, or technique pages(propagation and collection), and reading through the old posts. Look for interesting thread titles, lots of views and replies, and those contributors you like the most and will come to rely on.
 
So glad to have found you guys!

Figured I might as well put my introduction here too. I'm sure like most I have always found bonsai 'cool' but never developed a further interest in it until a recent visit to the Botanical Gardens in Montreal - I was so impressed with all the different trees, and the ages and level of care that must be involved. The more I read on the subject I knew it was something I wanted to pursue.

I now have 3 books, tools on the way, and the beginnings of 3 types of bonsai. I bought a Zelkova from a nursery in Florida, collected Mountain Ash seeds from a neighbor's tree (after asking :) and then bought several Norfolk Island Pine seedlings. I have a couple ideas for working with the Norfolks, and it will be quite awhile before I can do anything at all with the Mountain Ash, but I'm at a loss for where to go with the Zelkova. Since we are going into the cold months, I am hoping I have a little leeway as I learn more. I've attached a picture of that one, any suggestions are welcomed.

There don't seem to be any truly local groups around here - closest ones are about 3 hours away, so for the most part I think I will be relying on the internet!

Thanks in advance - CorinneL, Western Montana
 

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Welcome to you both!

Figured I might as well put my introduction here too. I'm sure like most I have always found bonsai 'cool' but never developed a further interest in it until a recent visit to the Botanical Gardens in Montreal - I was so impressed with all the different trees, and the ages and level of care that must be involved. The more I read on the subject I knew it was something I wanted to pursue.

I now have 3 books, tools on the way, and the beginnings of 3 types of bonsai. I bought a Zelkova from a nursery in Florida, collected Mountain Ash seeds from a neighbor's tree (after asking :) and then bought several Norfolk Island Pine seedlings. I have a couple ideas for working with the Norfolks, and it will be quite awhile before I can do anything at all with the Mountain Ash, but I'm at a loss for where to go with the Zelkova. Since we are going into the cold months, I am hoping I have a little leeway as I learn more. I've attached a picture of that one, any suggestions are welcomed.

There don't seem to be any truly local groups around here - closest ones are about 3 hours away, so for the most part I think I will be relying on the internet!

Thanks in advance - CorinneL, Western Montana


That's probably more than likely a Chinese Elm. They commonly call them Zelkovas to avoid some kind of importation issue (if I remember correctly).

That's an outdoor tree and should stay outside 24/7/365. Watch your watering in that soil, it is very peaty and water retaining. In the spring you'll want to repot into some free-draining soil.
 
Thanks!

Welcome to you both!




That's probably more than likely a Chinese Elm. They commonly call them Zelkovas to avoid some kind of importation issue (if I remember correctly).

That's an outdoor tree and should stay outside 24/7/365. Watch your watering in that soil, it is very peaty and water retaining. In the spring you'll want to repot into some free-draining soil.

I realized from the beginning that there was some confusion between the Chinese Elm and the Zelkova - when I purchased it was originally listed as a Chinese Elm, but had the Zelkova name in the description and invoice. The treatment seems to be fairly similar. It's hardiness was one reason I went with it for my first purchase, and I am keeping it outside - only planning to bring it in if we get some freakish -60F weather this winter or something. I'm assuming the peaty soil was used to protect moisture levels during shipping - and will plan to repot in the spring.

Looking forward to this journey!
 
Welcome to the insane addiction we call 'Bonsai'
 
"realized from the beginning that there was some confusion between the Chinese Elm and the Zelkova - when I purchased it was originally listed as a Chinese Elm, but had the Zelkova name in the description and invoice. The treatment seems to be fairly similar."

There is no confusion. You have a Chinese Elm (ulmus parvifolia) NOT a zelkova (zelkova serrata). Care should be for Chinese elm, although being elms, both species are pretty tough.

As mentioned, imported Chinese elms are often "mislabled" as zelkova to get around the tougher importation restrictions on chinese elm. Chinese elm (including bonsai chinese elm stock) is a proven source of Asian Longhorn beetle, a very very bad pest species that has the potential to wreck havoc on U.S. forests.

Think twice about bringing the tree inside even in the deepest winter cold. Doing so for more than a day or so will probably mean you're going to be stuck with it inside for the remainder of the winter, as warm indoor temps will bring it out of dormancy. Better to find a place outside that avoids the most extreme winter weather, like an unheated garage or shed. Deciduous trees don't need light in dormancy when they have no leaves...The object of overwintering is not to keep the tree "warm," but warm enough to avoid damage, but cold enough to keep it dormant. Temperatures above 35 F or below 10 F are the worry points in winter.
 
I have created a Photo Gallery of my current stock. They are all sapplings (or smaller) and most will not be appropriate for Bonsai but it's what I have and I wanted to share.
 
I need help. I am trying to decide on a First Tree or possibly just a solid educational plan. I am a fan of the deciduous trees I've seen in pictures and videos. My front yard is 100% native and the back yard is almost completely edible. I have spots in both yards I would like to place bonsai as lawn ornaments, eventually.

I am currently thinking that I want a Crabapple, more specifically a weeping crabapple. I am also considering a persimmon, blackberry, gooseberry, orange, lemon, cherry, nectarine, and my personal favorite tree, Oak (a local variety in the front yard could look good).

I live in zone 9b. I am open to almost any suggestions but conifers are not really on my list as of yet, however, a convincing argument might be able to sway me.

Regards,
Dale
 
I am in zone 8b and my favorites are:
Boxwood
Yaupon Holly
Elm

I would consider these 3 if I were you. Maybe add ficus nerifolia to the list to consider too.
 
FWIW, bonsai as lawn ornaments are a little impractical. They require daily care (a little care, but care nevertheless) placing them in disparate locations can make it more difficult to provide that care and to keep an eye on them.

In hot dry weather, keeping an eye on them can be critical as soil can dry extremely quickly in hot conditions.

And as a more practical matter, using them as lawn showpieces can lead to their being stolen. Bonsai are very portable and misunderstood by most people. The tendency is to think they're worth a lot more than they actually are. Also they're simply appealing, which leads to someone else wanting to have them. Putting them out in plain sight increases the chances someone will get a impulse to steal your trees.

Just food for thought. Every location is different.
 
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Just to add to the thoughts that others have given you...
I would pick an easy tree to begin with. Some of those you have listed are tough, especially fruit trees. Some of them don't have leaves that reduce well, and most of them are disease and bug prone. Not that some of these obstacles can't be overcome, but for learning, not so good. I'd go with an elm. Can't do much better than those for a first tree. Trident maples are pretty good to start with, but they do have particular care requirements that you'll need to study.
 
Well, I'll be honest. I've been so dead set on having a fruiting tree that I haven't looked at elms. I am planning on doing a class in April (if they haven't sold out by the time I have the ability to make the reservation) that will be a Boxwood in an Oak style. I will look at elms the next time I'm out.

Not to be contrary but I just got back from walking to the nursery. I have added Key Lime to my list of possibilities. This particular tree stuck out as having good taper; if I removed the two lowest branches, turned it more upright, and groundlayer above the spliced rootstock, it could make a decent looking tree. Doesn't mean I am planning on buying it tomorrow but I'd like to know if I am at least thinking in the right direction.

KeyLimeTrunk.jpgKeyLime.jpg

P.S. I guess I should have taken the photo from a lower angle as the taper doesn't show quite as dramatically in the photo as it did live. The trunk at the splice is about 1" diameter and would probably be 4" to 6" to the next set of branches if measured from the splice.
 
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Tip for you...search for bonsai with the plant variety you have in mind on line. If you find no or few nice ones...it means it is not a good candidate. It may be doable but with a lot of "challenges". ;)
 
Ahh, and rockm, thanks for the food for thought. I hadn't considered the portability issue. I had considered having trees spread all over the place but I didn't think one tree out of the bonsai garden would be that much of a hassle. It's an easy idea to give up as I had no hard plans for it.

And Dario, I have been doing some research along those lines. The reason I am most sold on Crabapple is due to the plethora of crabapple trees I've seen as bonsai. Sound advice though. I'll defiantly incorporate this into my research.
 
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Ahh, and rockm, thanks for the food for thought. I hadn't considered the portability issue. I had considered having trees spread all over the place but I didn't think one tree out of the bonsai garden would be that much of a hassle. It's an easy idea to give up as I had no hard plans for it.

And Dario, I have been doing some research along those lines. The reason I am most sold on Crabapple is due to the plethora of crabapple trees I've seen as bonsai. Sound advice though. I'll defiantly incorporate this into my research.

If you plan on keeping just a few trees, look up pics for monkey posts online.ts basically a decorative post upon which you place one pot to display. very cool...

Are you looking for a fruiting tree or a flowering tree? Sounds like a dumb question, but... there are a lot that overlap but some that don't... just a thought, as most of the time (except with crabs, pyracanthas, and few others) the fruit are removed in infancy.

or for a combo of both worlds, go to DAVE WILSON nursery online and order a bare root genetic dwarf peach. these guys give great fruit, have very very short internodes packed with buds, so the flower is to die for. Basically its a landscape bonsai tree.

http://www.delange.org/Dwarf_Peach_Tree/Dwarf_Peach_Tree.htm ---> this pic sucks, when I go home next weekend I'll take a pic of mine. I have a honey babe and I love it. tried to take cuttings, should have layered it but too late now as I am moving out of that house:(

http://www.davewilson.com/br40/br40_trees/peaches.html
 
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