Thank You, I appreciate your efforts.
The second one is a small one I picked up from Frank Mihalic a couple years ago, it's in need of wiring and editing. I usually save my HB work for last on the winter wiring list. The third one is a clump that I got from Don Blackmond I think that was in 15 or 16. I have attached the first photos of it that he sent me when I bought it. It was an import originally from Korea. It is a very cool tree, the biggest problem with it is that all 4 trunks are so linear to each other that it's problematic. Hopefully at some point I'll find the one best solution, I'm still trying to figure that out. The 4th one is a tree that I got a year after that, it was not super strong, so I've done relatively little hard work on it. The structure is there, but in dire need of reworking, the inner part of the tree needs better interior buds. I will hopefully be able to do a strong cutback and restarting of this tree this season.