Newer to Bonsai and have a few question, Zelkova

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hi. I just recently got back into the hobby after years of not. I picked up yesterday a 27yr old zelkova elm and it's beautiful. It has been growing in greenhouse conditions. I currently have it outside where it will get a lot of daily sun and evening shade. Once it drops its leaves, can I put it in my garage? Just cover the pot with some mulch for additional insulation? How long do I have to keep it there before returning it to indoors? Thought of getting high plant lighting and using a timer for 14-16hrs a day. And keeping it misted and humid. Thoughts?

It is definitely a zelkova not a Chinese elm. I've researched the difference
 

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Hello Porkchop,

Welcome!
You need to attach to your avatar where you are from, so the members can offer advice.
Good Day
Anthony
 
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Welcome!


I wouldn't hold your breath about that tree being that old unless you know for a fact. I don't know where you are, but that tree should never come inside. It's an outdoor tree and belongs outside year round.
 
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So there is no way to grow it indoors with proper lighting supplemented? So many conflicting sites and posts from users everywhere it's hard to make out what's right and what's not. I'm leaning towards outside and then garage in the fall after leaves have dropped. Do I need to insulate the tree at all? Our garage is uninsulated.
 
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So there is no way to grow it indoors with proper lighting supplemented? So many conflicting sites and posts from users everywhere it's hard to make out what's right and what's not. I'm leaning towards outside and then garage in the fall after leaves have dropped. Do I need to insulate the tree at all? Our garage is uninsulated.
As long as your garage is unheated, you can keep it there during the winter. The rest of the year it needs to be outside.
 
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Are there people that grow these indoors? Sure. Are they successful? Sorta. When a tree like this can grow outdoors year round in your area you might as well just grow it outdoors. There's really no reason to stress it by forcing it inside when it'll grow happily outside.

If you can create a sub tropical environment, more power to you. But it's not a ficus, it can grow outside all year.
 

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Porkchop,

looks like a collection of trees imported from South China.
Hopefully you don't have the famous Zelkova [ that is a Chinese elm with a changed name to be allowed to be imported ]
Might be hardy to zone 8 or 9 if acclimated.

Standard response -------- take some cuttings and when rooted, do all of your tests on them, not the mother.
Two other things to mention, when you - HAVE to repot - the roots. can be used for cuttings and you will get new plants.
It helps to slowly open out your branching so it looks more like a tree and less like a hedge.

Apologies if you knew this already and I am accidentally insulting your intelligence.
Good Day
Anthony
 

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So there is no way to grow it indoors with proper lighting supplemented? So many conflicting sites and posts from users everywhere it's hard to make out what's right and what's not. I'm leaning towards outside and then garage in the fall after leaves have dropped. Do I need to insulate the tree at all? Our garage is uninsulated.
Hey Porkchop!

First, welcome to the site.

Second, there is a big difference between northern Ohio and southern Ohio in terms of climate.

Zelkovas are a type of elm and are sometimes even called Japanese elms (if they are the most common Zelkova serrata). They are deciduous trees that will drop their leaves in the Fall - even here in Southern California where we don't get freezing temps. I don't own a greenhouse so I can't comment about whether they will do well indoors under artificial lighting - i.e. trying to trick them into not going into a winter dormancy - but I am always a believer in allowing a tree to maintain its normal seasonal rhythm as much as possible. Zelkova serratas are found natively as far north as the Kuril Islands, so they can take a lot of cold and wet, though they are adaptable enough to be found as south as Taiwan.

I overwintered Chinese elms without any problem in an unheated garage in Chicago. The key is just to keep them from drying out.
 

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I am going with Cmeg. It looks like Chinese Elm to me.

Many nurseries mislabel them, and call them "Zelkova", when in fact they are actually Chinese Elm.

A close up photo would be helpful.
 
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Porkchop, that looks like North Dayton Garden Center....are you in Dayton? We'd love to have you come to our Dayton bonsai show next month to meet us!
 
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we'd love to answer all your questions...that's one of the best reasons to join a club...to find out what to do for your climate zone!
 

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I am going with Cmeg. It looks like Chinese Elm to me.
I was driving myself nuts. I was looking at Cmeg's picture and thinking it was the OP's tree. I was like - what is Adair seeing? That looks completely like a zelkova to me :)

I agree with both of you the OP's tree looks like a Chinese elm :) Sorry I wrote a big white paper on the range of Zelkova serrata! LOL!
 

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Not trying to be mean there but I wouldn't take lessons from them - there might be a few diamonds in the rough but most that stuff is very meh. The best thing you did if find this group and you can pick some things up and we can help you down the right and proper path :p


Also I would judge that tree around the 5-10 year range but you never know
 
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Lol wow a lot of replies. I'll get a close up of the leaves here soon when I get home. These trees he's been growing for years and has some Chinese elm as well as the zelkova Japanese elm. I will be keeping it outside during the summer and keeping it in my unheared garage in the winter after the leaves change and fall