No rain, hailstones

[AlainK]

No rain here for over a month. Temperatures between 30-39 ° C in the afternoon.

About 200 miles where I live, after the drought, there we re hailstones the size of a tennis ball.

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So OK, climate imbalance, disorder, whatever you call it, climate change is an essential issue to tackle.

I know a few here are climate change deniers, or they think that we, human beings can't be blamed for that, all right, I don't have the superpower to make the blind see.

But the politicians that don't do anything about it because they can make money when the people die, or just because they're stupid and incapable of thinking more than insults in 140 characters.

I mean, unless you've been decerabrated from an early age (religion-s-), it's obvious that man, the humankind, is at least partly responsible for the catastrophe ahead.

I confess I'm angry at that "US" that denies its, our, responsability in the disaster that is already showing in our eyes.

I'm so disappointed at the Usonians who will vte for more years of denial, to the profit of a clan, for the misery of the millions of people.

And it goes beyond that, because when the bully is the biggest man in the yard, you'd better be careful.

So what's the solution ? Try to reason someone who has no brains, no consideration at all for others, make all efforts to

 

[Forsoothe!]

No rain here for over a month. Temperatures between 30-39 ° C in the afternoon.

About 200 miles where I live, after the drought, there we re hailstones the size of a tennis ball.

Le Journal du week-end | TF1

Le vendredi à 20h, le samedi et le dimanche, "LE WE" prend le relais des journaux de la semaine ("LE 13H" et "LE 20H"). La rédaction TF1, à travers le jt du weekend continue de vous informer et ainsi met en exergue l'actualité régionale, nationale et internationale. Le journal du weekend est...

www.tf1.fr

So OK, climate imbalance, disorder, whatever you call it, climate change is an essential issue to tackle.

I know a few here are climate change deniers, or they think that we, human beings can't be blamed for that, all right, I don't have the superpower to make the blind see.

But the politicians that don't do anything about it because they can make money when the people die, or just because they're stupid and incapable of thinking more than insults in 140 characters.

I mean, unless you've been decerabrated from an early age (religion-s-), it's obvious that man, the humankind, is at least partly responsible for the catastrophe ahead.

I confess I'm angry at that "US" that denies its, our, responsability in the disaster that is already showing in our eyes.

I'm so disappointed at the Usonians who will vte for more years of denial, to the profit of a clan, for the misery of the millions of people.

And it goes beyond that, because when the bully is the biggest man in the yard, you'd better be careful.

So what's the solution ? Try to reason someone who has no brains, no consideration at all for others, make all efforts to

Exactly how is mankind exerting more influence on the atmosphere than the sun and volcanos? CO2 is a fertilizer. What climate phenomena are occurring now that have not occurred before mankind took over for Mother Nature? What era would you point to in history or prehistory as the ideal climate? How many times in the geological record has the climate cycled from warm to cool to warm to cool, ad infinitum? How do we know whether the wet low lands like Florida, New Orleans, Venice and the Maldives are subsiding more or less than the oceans are rising? Would the history of the Netherlands be instructive as how lowlands near the sea subside over time since they have been responding to same for several hundred years accompanied by proper engineering record keeping? Concurrent with land subsiding along coasts and rivers and canals, that subsiding land needs to be dredged from the waterways. If the waterways always need to be dredged, why isn't that prima facie evidence that the land is rising? Or would it be more instructive to say that while a few mountains are still rising, like Everest, most lands on the face of Earth having been subsiding since the era of Pangea? Doesn't that make it difficult to state with any authority exactly what "sea level" is normal vis-a-vis some constant over time?

 

[AlainK]

Exactly how is mankind exerting more influence on the atmosphere than the sun and volcanos?

That's a good question

Any child who can read and write can answer that.

 

[Fabledabel]

I'm going to cherry pick your post here because there is so much info out there supporting climate change, that if it hasn't convinced you, I will not either. But here goes nothing

CO2 is a fertilizer.

Is this really a sound argument? I mean miracle grow is a fertilizer but if I drench my trees in it daily, they are not going to thrive. Sure plants may thrive in co2 rich conditions, and if you end your thought there then everything looks great! But to be honest it's so much more complicated than that. I urge you to accept the scientific findings of the rest of the world.

 

[cheap_walmart_art]

Alain, I have felt bad seeing what the French and other Europeans are going through. Here in the rural US South, its easy to be cavalier and say we deal with those temperatures yearly, but thats the climate we have grown accustom to. I think its hit you guys like a ton of bricks the last few years and thats gotta be disruptive. I hope it eases up on you.

As far as the climate change discussion goes, im just going to leave this here.

Evidence

Takeaways The rate of change since the mid-20th century is unprecedented over millennia. Earth’s climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 800,000 years, there have been eight cycles of ice ages and warmer periods, with the end of the last ice age about 11,700 years ago marking...

climate.nasa.gov

 

[Potawatomi13]

No rain here for over a month. Temperatures between 30-39 ° C in the afternoon.

About 200 miles where I live, after the drought, there we re hailstones the size of a tennis ball.

Le Journal du week-end | TF1

Le vendredi à 20h, le samedi et le dimanche, "LE WE" prend le relais des journaux de la semaine ("LE 13H" et "LE 20H"). La rédaction TF1, à travers le jt du weekend continue de vous informer et ainsi met en exergue l'actualité régionale, nationale et internationale. Le journal du weekend est...

www.tf1.fr

So OK, climate imbalance, disorder, whatever you call it, climate change is an essential issue to tackle.

I know a few here are climate change deniers, or they think that we, human beings can't be blamed for that, all right, I don't have the superpower to make the blind see.

But the politicians that don't do anything about it because they can make money when the people die, or just because they're stupid and incapable of thinking more than insults in 140 characters.

I mean, unless you've been decerabrated from an early age (religion-s-), it's obvious that man, the humankind, is at least partly responsible for the catastrophe ahead.

I confess I'm angry at that "US" that denies its, our, responsability in the disaster that is already showing in our eyes.

I'm so disappointed at the Usonians who will vte for more years of denial, to the profit of a clan, for the misery of the millions of people.

And it goes beyond that, because when the bully is the biggest man in the yard, you'd better be careful.

So what's the solution ? Try to reason someone who has no brains, no consideration at all for others, make all efforts to

The solution is mind your own damn business! In the mean time I continue to feel great happiness at your socialist consternation and continued ignorance.

 

[just.wing.it]

Alain needs to research the Hard Science, with repeatable data on this topic.....like the Vostok Ice Core Samples.

This data simply proves that CO2 does NOT cause warming.
It proves that in Earth's past, in periods of global warming (which of course happend thousands of years before industrialization) the elevated CO2 levels show up AFTER the warming.....not before.

I sunk your battleship.


Science is not up for a vote, its not about a "consensus of scientists who agree" on the flawed computer models.....while they live like kings on Govt subsidies.

Alain's type want to simply control the world with the iron fist of authoritarianism......we call them socialists aka Stalinists.

One of the easiest ways to gain global control is to guilt people into thinking that the government can fix the climate....while guilting you into believing that its all your fault.

Now, with that said, I am all for common sense steps taken to clean things up, I don't know anyone who is "pro pollution"....
But I'm not going to submit to the Green Gangsters, with their Fake Green Initiatives, I know full well from my career that most of the Green Industry is a racket.

Manufactures take advantage of new laws that need not be created in the first place.

These Green Initiatives cause manufacturers to make more products.....hello!
More new products means more old products in the landfills.....
Open your eyes!


The big take away here is this.....govt is never the answer.....but they will always make it worse.
This is not about saving the planet, is about controlling the people.....I like liberty and freedom.

You'd think that the 20th century and all the mass graves filled by socialists would teach us something.

 

[Nanuk]

That's a good question

Any child who can read and write can answer that.

But here you are not answering it.

 

[Fonz]

It's all Jesus' fault.

 

[cheap_walmart_art]

This data simply proves that CO2 does NOT cause warming.
It proves that in Earth's past, in periods of global warming (which of course happend thousands of years before industrialization) the elevated CO2 levels show up AFTER the warming.....not before

If you are interested in reading a hypothesis on the CO2 lag in the ice core data, this article touches on the topic.

Ice Core Data Help Solve a Global Warming Mystery

Why do some ice core samples seem to indicate CO2 spikes trailed increases in global temperature? It’s all about the way bubbles move in ice

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[Forsoothe!]

I subscribe to the original Gaia Hypothesis in which global temperature cycles are a function of cloud cover and the Sun's activity cycles. In the short description; As the surface temperature rises more clouds shield the Earth from sunlight which cools the Earth, and vice-versa. And, the two Solar Cycles: short cycle of 9 to 11 years, and long cycle of ~10,000 years, which are The most important long term factors. Volcanoes are number two at weather perturbations by emitting several gasses and comprise something like 95% of the gasses green freaks fear. Mankind may contribute 1%.

The original "...95% of scientists believe mankind is responsible blah, blah, blah..." arose from a poll of climate-interested scientists in ~1970's or so, in which a high percentage of respondents did attribute global cooling to mankind's activity, BUT only a very small percentage of those polled responded to the poll. Anyone who cites this poll as valid is either ignorant of the insignificance of the poll, or a charlatan. Curiously, the poll has not been repeated. I wonder, why not? The ease at which green freaks shifted from Global Cooling to Global Warming to Climate Change should embarrass people with a serious interest in science.

There is pollution caused by mankind, which gets responded to when it gets to the point of intolerable or significant, which we all hate, and pollution which we have absolutely no control over, like volcanoes. We all agree that we need to address what we can, as soon and best as possible.

The climate models can't predict the past. Now, that's science? They don't work because they don't include as variables the effects of solar radiation on the column of air, only the effects on the surface of Earth. Think about that.

 

[Forsoothe!]

If you are interested in reading a hypothesis on the CO2 lag in the ice core data, this article touches on the topic.

Ice Core Data Help Solve a Global Warming Mystery

Why do some ice core samples seem to indicate CO2 spikes trailed increases in global temperature? It’s all about the way bubbles move in ice

www.scientificamerican.com

Specious, at best. I'm not sure at all that I would agree that the new lag calculations are any better than the original miscalculation. There is a bias in the scientific community to believe that today's wisdom is the ultimate wisdom, -that with the latest discovery, we now know the final facts. I am old enough to remember the many times astronomers' have discovered the end of the universe, -with each new kind of telescope. Over, and over, and over.

 

[cheap_walmart_art]

Specious, at best. I'm not sure at all that I would agree that the new lag calculations are any better than the original miscalculation. There is a bias in the scientific community to believe that today's wisdom is the ultimate wisdom, -that with the latest discovery, we now know the final facts. I am old enough to remember the many times astronomers' have discovered the end of the universe, -with each new kind of telescope. Over, and over, and over.

Eh, I'm not here to change anybody's mind, but I will say things are definitely getting hotter, oil definitely will run out, and we are not doing ourselves any favors if we dont look into alternative energy sources. Im probably old enough not to be seriously affected, but I do worry about the world being left for my friends' kids.

 

[Forsoothe!]

Why do greenies assume that the people who do not share their views on climate change don't care about their own grandchildren's future or are not interested in alternative fuel sources? I own stock in two lithium miners and two alternative energy research companies. Somebody has to finance these new sources of tomorrow's energy solutions. I am putting my money where my mouth is. Many of these speculative ventures will fail, but without the effort there will be no advances and no successes.

 

[just.wing.it]

Why do greenies assume that the people who do not share their views on climate change don't care about their own grandchildren's future or are not interested in alternative fuel sources? I own stock in two lithium miners and two alternative energy research companies. Somebody has to finance these new sources of tomorrow's energy solutions. I am putting my money where my mouth is. Many of these speculative ventures will fail, but without the effort there will be no advances and no successes.

Truff.

 

[cheap_walmart_art]

Why do greenies assume that the people who do not share their views on climate change don't care about their own grandchildren's future or are not interested in alternative fuel sources?

Never assumed you didnt, my man. My opinions dont project anything onto you.

 

[just.wing.it]

Whether it means anything to anyone or not, I'd like to point out that the USA is the leading producer of oil at this time.....and in my opinion, we could have been the leaders all along.

Also in my opinion, organic material decays and eventually becomes crude oil....so as long as there is life, there will be oil.
Obviously we've been harvesting oil for a mere fraction of human existence, let alone the existence of Earth.....if it runs out....one of 2 things will happen....

We'll regress to a pure agrarian society, and adapt and be fine.
Or.....the earth will have long been a dead planet and the survivors will starve soon.

..............

Now.....are you ready???.... if the Govt would disclose the anti-gravity technology that they have reverse-engineered, we'd have no use for oil or gas......just sayin....

 

[Forsoothe!]

As to AlainK and his lack of rain, I got your rain right here, bud! When I installed a boat hoist ten years ago, I had to dredge my slip twice because the hoist wouldn't go down far enough for the boat to float onto the hoist. I had four feet of freeboard ten years ago and today, the water is at the top of both sides of my seawall and my basement leaks.



I'd bet that ten years ago AlainK had pleasant summers and plenty of rain. Weather is fickle and comes and goes. Winds aloft change direction a couple degrees, and vast changes occur, but only temporarily. Climate is different from weather. Just as one swallow doesn't make a summer, one year doesn't characterize a climate. Climate is average weather, over time, globally. There is less ice at one pole and more at the other. The amount of water in the world doesn't change just because the Mississippi is over its banks and New Orleans is closing sea-gates again, just like 1989. Somewhere else in the world is having a drought. Maybe that French rain has diverted to the New World, again... What were the summers like for AlainK in the late 1980's? Eh? Were those vintage years? (I should know this. I need to drink more, -for research purchases!)

 

[Forsoothe!]

Now.....are you ready???.... if the Govt would disclose the anti-gravity technology that they have reverse-engineered, we'd have no use for oil or gas......just sayin....

Your government couldn't reverse engineer ice cubes...

 

[just.wing.it]

Your government couldn't reverse engineer ice cubes...

I make ice for a living.