NY's Smaller JBP thread

[Nybonsai12]

No thread on this one yet so I figured I'd start one because this is a bonsai forum and I believe most people want to come here and see trees. Tree was purchased off ebay i think maybe 4 or 5 years ago. It came from Muranaka in Cali and frankly I think it is one of the better offerings he has had on ebay over the past few years. I have another larger one from them and have had good luck with it. Tree arrived healthy and with no surprises. I didn't keep the best records but have some photos to show the direction it's taken over some the past few years.

I believe this is the first or second year after purchase. The trunk has a gentle curve. I ultimately settled on a front that i liked the most but doesn't show any trunk movement.




Pic below is from after first wiring trying to move things into place.


And the following year in spring.


If i remember correctly i decandled and this was sometime later in the season.

 

[cheap_walmart_art]

Always nice to see material that looks like what I can afford at this stage in the game coming along. I'm always interested in these threads that show stuff just a bit better than what I have on my benches. Looks like its coming along nicely.

 

[Nybonsai12]

After needles pulled that fall and some additional wire.




and another shot from the next year after a repot, circular only because it's what i had on hand.




I decandled again this year and the tree is responding very well looking healthy and ready for wire again this fall. I think after pulling needles, cleaning it up and adding some wire this fall it should really be looking really nice. Here is a pic from a few weeks ago looking happy.

 

[cmeg1]

Real nice!!
I would be proud to own that one.
Encouraging,as I have a bunch on the way!

 

[cmeg1]

How many hours direct Sun you get for your pines?

 

[Nybonsai12]

How many hours direct Sun you get for your pines?

I try to give them as much as possible. I'd say they get about 8 hours.

 

[Nybonsai12]

Today

 

[Hartinez]

Very clean, simple and well executed. Good stuff.

 

[Potawatomi13]

Must question choice of front. Personally always make rest of tree fit with best view of trunk. Most want best trunk view possible as far as what I see here. While development is good so far tree has uninteresting straight trunk and predictable vanilla triangle outline.

 

[VAFisher]

Must question choice of front. Personally always make rest of tree fit with best view of trunk. Most want best trunk view possible as far as what I see here. While development is good so far tree has uninteresting straight trunk and predictable vanilla triangle outline.

And since he's only showed one front fully, how can you question his choice? You have no idea what the other views are like and what the nebari is like on the view with the curve. You bring absolutely no value to this forum, not even comedic value, and personally I wish you would just leave. Or at least show some of your work. If you even have any. Unfortunately, I know neither of those things will ever happen and we'll all just have to continue putting up with your bullshit.

 

[Hartinez]

Must question choice of front. Personally always make rest of tree fit with best view of trunk. Most want best trunk view possible as far as what I see here. While development is good so far tree has uninteresting straight trunk and predictable vanilla triangle outline.

And since he's only showed one front fully, how can you question his choice? You have no idea what the other views are like and what the nebari is like on the view with the curve. You bring absolutely no value to this forum, not even comedic value, and personally I wish you would just leave. Or at least show some of your work. If you even have any. Unfortunately, I know neither of those things will ever happen and we'll all just have to continue putting up with your bullshit.

Couldn’t have said it better myself @VAFisher . I feel like every time I see @Potawatomi13 comment it’s of criticism with little to no value, and have yet to see an original tree or post of his own. I don’t know, maybe I’m not on here often enough, but something tells me he doesnt post much of his own work. GTFOH

 

[VAFisher]

Couldn’t have said it better myself @VAFisher . I feel like every time I see @Potawatomi13 comment it’s of criticism with little to no value, and have yet to see an original tree or post of your own. I don’t know, maybe I’m not on here often enough, but something tells me you don’t post much of your own work. GTFOH

To my knowledge, he's never posted a tree. Not once.

 

[Nybonsai12]

Potawatomi offers nothing to the forum, best to put him on ignore.

 

[Adair M]

You have the makings of a very nice “informal formal black pine”! Lol!!! I have one. Where the trunk is straight as viewed from the front, but has a forward lean. A true “Formal Upright” has no movement at all. Straight up like a Christmas Tree. They’re very rare, at least, the good ones are.

For this style, the branches should be kept straight, with alternating sub-branches. Try, when bending them down, to have the bend be right at the junction of branch and trunk. Any “rainbow curve” is a fault. The way to do this is illustrated here;



Fig. 16 shows how to attach a piece of rebar under the branch, then you can pull the end of the rebar down with a guy wire. Leave about 1/2 inch gap between the rebar and trunk when tying the rebar in place.

Using the guy wire without the rebar will create a rainbow arch.

 

[Adair M]

Must question choice of front. Personally always make rest of tree fit with best view of trunk. Most want best trunk view possible as far as what I see here. While development is good so far tree has uninteresting straight trunk and predictable vanilla triangle outline.

Pots, I know you think you’re being helpful. Yes, we all know you love the yamadori bonsai from the Pacific Northwest. But, guess what? Not all bonsai are Pacific Northwest yamadori! Ask your idol, Ryan Neil how many Pacific Northwest yamadori did he work on when he was Kimura’s apprentice. I’ll tell you: zero! He did work on Japanese yamadori. And also stock grown from nursery stock.

There are many styles of bonsai. NY has taken this rather modest little JBP, and has made an attractive little tree. And I can tell it’s on its way to be quite nice.

You, on the other hand, are on your way to becoming Bolero.

 

[VAFisher]

Pots, I know you think you’re being helpful. Yes, we all know you love the yamadori bonsai from the Pacific Northwest. But, guess what? Not all bonsai are Pacific Northwest yamadori! Ask your idol, Ryan Neil how many Pacific Northwest yamadori did he work on when he was Kimura’s apprentice. I’ll tell you: zero! He did work on Japanese yamadori. And also stock grown from nursery stock.

There are many styles of bonsai. NY has taken this rather modest little JBP, and has made an attractive little tree. And I can tell it’s on its way to be quite nice.

You, on the other hand, are on your way to becoming Bolero.

He's much worse that Bolero. At least Bolero posts his work.

 

[Lazylightningny]

You have the makings of a very nice “informal formal black pine”! Lol!!! I have one. Where the trunk is straight as viewed from the front, but has a forward lean. A true “Formal Upright” has no movement at all. Straight up like a Christmas Tree. They’re very rare, at least, the good ones are.

For this style, the branches should be kept straight, with alternating sub-branches. Try, when bending them down, to have the bend be right at the junction of branch and trunk. Any “rainbow curve” is a fault. The way to do this is illustrated here;

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Fig. 16 shows how to attach a piece of rebar under the branch, then you can pull the end of the rebar down with a guy wire. Leave about 1/2 inch gap between the rebar and trunk when tying the rebar in place.

Using the guy wire without the rebar will create a rainbow arch.

May I ask, why does the rebar go on the bottom? Doesn't that leave the crotch open to separation from the trunk? Well, I guess it would be the same if it was on top.

 

[Lazylightningny]

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Looks like you've taken good care of it. It looks very healthy.

 

[Adair M]

May I ask, why does the rebar go on the bottom? Doesn't that leave the crotch open to separation from the trunk? Well, I guess it would be the same if it was on top.

If you get a separation on the top, no big deal. Put some cut paste there, and it’ll callous over. The lifeline is more important on the underside. That’s the direct line between the branch and the roots. Don’t sever that!

John Naka’s Goshin forest all had broken-into-place-and-wired branches. In the old days they used to place a pebble in the open area to help hold it, and the tree would callous over it.

 

[M. Frary]

Must question choice of front. Personally always make rest of tree fit with best view of trunk. Most want best trunk view possible as far as what I see here. While development is good so far tree has uninteresting straight trunk and predictable vanilla triangle outline.

Good old Potty.
Never a dull moment.
Hasn't learned that trees grow in triangle shapes naturally.
More than likely jealous of this nice tree and the great work put into it.
Like Bolero he knows nothing but in his mind is a master.
It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round I guess.
I would never want Potty to go away though.
His entertainment value is through the roof.