One big tree or is it two

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Just wanted some opinions on this one. I got a large trident maple wondering if it works better to air layer it this spring and do two trees.
 

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I like big trees I would show you my huge trident I just got, but it seems recent changes to the site has made it difficult as it was easy. Anyway....... I would keep it as one tree. After you divide it it will be two lesser trees than the original. And the original looks like something special in the making.
 
The tree has descent taper right now. I'm not sure where you would want to air layer, but you would essentially be destroying that taper for the bottom piece. If you don't mind growing out another trunk section over the next 5 + years, best done in the ground, then an air layer might eventually result in two descent trees. Personally, I'd keep it as one...it's a nice tree.
 
Just wanted some opinions on this one. I got a large trident maple wondering if it works better to air layer it this spring and do two trees.

without seeing more angles, my vote is keep it one big tree. Reduce the number of branches at the apex and trim them back religiously to keep them in check while growing out the lower branches.
 
One tree for sure.
 
without seeing more angles, my vote is keep it one big tree. Reduce the number of branches at the apex and trim them back religiously to keep them in check while growing out the lower branches.

One tree. From what I see, for ideal proportions I feel that the apex should be higher than what it is now. The trunk is massive an powerful and does have a bit of taper, but I feel that if you keep the apex just above where the main fat trunk 'ends', then it may look like a log with some sticks sticking out the top. Of course this will make the tree quite tall and large, but who doesn't want at least one massive tree in their collection.
 
It appears to have reverse taper about 1/3 of the way up. If this is the case, and not just a bad camera angle, then my opinion would be to layer it there.
 
One tree. From what I see, for ideal proportions I feel that the apex should be higher than what it is now. The trunk is massive an powerful and does have a bit of taper, but I feel that if you keep the apex just above where the main fat trunk 'ends', then it may look like a log with some sticks sticking out the top. Of course this will make the tree quite tall and large, but who doesn't want at least one massive tree in their collection.

but he needs to force development of the lower branches before the apex or he will end up with a large mushroom. right now, the apex will get the majority of the growth and will apex branching will fatten while lower branching underachieves. he can grow out the apex later, but can't really do it the other way around.
 
without seeing more angles, my vote is keep it one big tree. Reduce the number of branches at the apex and trim them back religiously to keep them in check while growing out the lower branches.

I vote for air layer... Build greater taper from bottom half
 
Thanks for the love. It doesn't have reverse taper it's the angle of photo. I think I'm going move forward as one tree and get some good growth going this year. Yes I'll reduce apex back and find some main branches to start growing out this season. Can't wait for spring to get here got so much I want to do. Good thing is next week I'll be at Boons for class and have some repotting fun in San Francisco weather. Nc is unusually cold right now.
 
but he needs to force development of the lower branches before the apex or he will end up with a large mushroom. right now, the apex will get the majority of the growth and will apex branching will fatten while lower branching underachieves. he can grow out the apex later, but can't really do it the other way around.

Oh, yea agreed.
 
I'd keep it big and develop it. Large tree's done right are more imposing and awe inspiring than any other size bonsai in my opinion. A 3ft tall Trident all rammed out will just about shock any bonsai enthusiast or non enthusiast alike. In Japan most tree's are deceptively large, view any kokufu pics for a size reference of people in front of the trees for a true sense of scale.
 
You beat me. I will be stopping at Plant City the 1st of March to pick up a Maple purchased from Steve. Had one of those in the back of my mind. Did he have any left?

Terry

I don't know I got that one and there was another in greenhouse I saw and had to have not sure I know he had 4 when he bought them.
 
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