OUTDOOR PROPOGATION USING DIFFERENT HYDROPONIC GROWING MEDIA

[HankDio]

Incredible stuff in this thread, thank you very much for sharing your methods.

 

[cmeg1]

The winter storage of over 400 Siberian Elms and a few Black Pine!!!

Experiance has showed me over the years to keep the cold frome open most of the cold season untill the nights are below 28f or so.I let them take first few frosts at about 26 f and then I just piled all 400 or so in their grodan cubes.
Lid is off cold frame and enduring rain and all untill it gets VERY cold,then the lid gets closed only at night and depending on severity of cold the lid is cracked during day or opened to let the light in….shade of course since on northern side of house.
Otherwise I will get mold on these and that sucks.
Very effective as the bottomless box is about 18” into ground next to warmth of home……..the pile of Siberian Elm is so funny.

 

[BrightsideB]

The winter storage of over 400 Siberian Elms and a few Black Pine!!!

Experiance has showed me over the years to keep the cold frome open most of the cold season untill the nights are below 28f or so.I let them take first few frosts at about 26 f and then I just piled all 400 or so in their grodan cubes.
Lid is off cold frame and enduring rain and all untill it gets VERY cold,then the lid gets closed only at night and depending on severity of cold the lid is cracked during day or opened to let the light in….shade of course since on northern side of house.
Otherwise I will get mold on these and that sucks.
Very effective as the bottomless box is about 18” into ground next to warmth of home……..the pile of Siberian Elm is so funny.
View attachment 410110View attachment 410111View attachment 410112View attachment 410113

That looks great! And full! I am going to build one for my jm mutants I have that I grew from seed last season. To hope they make it through the winter so I can graft. I used the npk fertilizers and bio stimulants that you have been suggesting. They grew great! Some came close to three feet tall! I figured that helped prepare them better for a full tree life. Especially since my favorite one has a pretty weak root system.

 

[Crazy Diamond]

Have you put them inside and dont let them go dormant? the elms for example, how they react

 

[cmeg1]

Have you put them inside and dont let them go dormant? the elms for example, how they react

All I know is when you start the Siberian elms in the tent with co2 fertiliazation they will have a pronounced and noticeable vigor…..high brix and more durable ,compact growth.
I imagine the Siberians are like zones 3 to 8 or maybe even warmer and trees like this do absolutely stupendous indoors and even a double growing season they do just fine but of course they need the dormant season by the end of the second growing season.
The siberian Elms have outperformed the Chinese Elm for me in many many respects slightly larger leaves thicker in substance and longer lasting much much better color in the autumn and to me just a more durable tree and more cold hardy.
I had a number of them in the tent for about a month and a half and they looked pretty darn amazing and they absolutely adore full sun maybe more so than Chinese Elm.

 

[cmeg1]

These grow better and more compact in the tents than the chinese elm do.
Here are the indoor Siberians now……I actually give weekly dunks for almost an hour in pure fulvic acid and kelp powders @ at a 5:2 ratio . Gets them very compact and backbudding extremely early.
These get one heckuva start in the co2 with loads of calcium and extra bio-stimilants.
Extremely fun for me…….And of course the suprise Autumn colors…….I thought they would be dull like most chinese elm have always been for me.

 

[cmeg1]

Impressed with the 1.5” stonewool mini-cubes for seedlings.

I am very happy with these.All the Siberian Elms ended the season with fantastic Autumn colors,so of course I got way more interested with them.
I brought some indoors after being outdoors the required dormancy.
I have plans to make seedling air-layers.I was suprised to see a very nice swelling of the trunk below the surface of the mini-cubes.Quite pronounced on many of them.Fantastic air-pruning too.
Now all these were ohtdoor grown last season and are only about 3 mnths from seed.This natural swelling of the base will only be better if I was to proceed with an indoor co2 fertilized crop.The indoor trees tend to just stop top growth and just start to thicken up it seems…..trunkwise.
Really impressed with this!!!!!

I will probably wait to air-layer these for a bit to thicken some more.
I made sure to try and take advantage of this and layered a few of them quite into the base so to utilize the natural flare on the very yound seedlings.

Fun,Fun stuff………This will be amazing outdoors too in Spring…..I have about 400 of these……..

 

[Crazy Diamond]

Have you consider do the same hydroponic method with plants like Taxodiums, Metasequoya, Cupressus, etc..

 

[cmeg1]

more
I fell in love with these……….

I have plans for these..outdoors…..big growth…big trunk chops.

 

[cmeg1]

Have you consider do the same hydroponic method with plants like Taxodiums, Metasequoya, Cupressus, etc..

Yes and have done so with different evergreens.I tend to have so much fun experimenting that I sometimes lose track of what might actually pay for my hobby expenses…Trying to stay prioritized lately

Here are some Cryptomeria….while perhaps a tiny bit too much exposure…they root great like seedling cutting and they could really be some champs…….someday a bigger outdoor fascility.
These are really responsive to kelp and really backbudded and were very low and short.

 

[cmeg1]

more
They were getting quite big and fast too only a few mnths old!!!!
Last pic

 

[Arlithrien]

Impressed with the 1.5” stonewool mini-cubes for seedlings.

You have inspired me to try 1" cubes this year for JM seed starting. Do you know an affordable nutrient solution to mix in when watering? I already have liquid kelp on hand to supplement with. Really just looking to avoid using peat/perlite based mixes as I lose a lot of the smaller seedlings to damping off.

 

[cmeg1]

You have inspired me to try 1" cubes this year for JM seed starting. Do you know an affordable nutrient solution to mix in when watering? I already have liquid kelp on hand to supplement with. Really just looking to avoid using peat/perlite based mixes as I lose a lot of the smaller seedlings to damping off.

I find salts to be cheapest……NPK is ok priced….I buy bulk from kalix….their parent company.Their all in one is of very high quality….you may not like the price……needs ph’d with up/down in solution.
DO NOT BUY BULK FROM NPK BRAND THOUGH……..go to kalix

RAW GROW All-in-One

RAW GROW is a tested blend of all 12 RAW Soluble plant nutrients, essential elements and supplements. This blend has been proven to be an optimal all-in-one base “Grow” horticultural fertilizer. RAW GROW is used through out the entire vegetative stage. Derived from: Plant protein hydrolysate...

npk-industries.com

 

[Arlithrien]

I find salts to be cheapest……NPK is ok priced….I buy bulk from kalix….their parent company.Their all in one is of very high quality….you may not like the price……needs ph’d with up/down in solution.
DO NOT BUY BULK FROM NPK BRAND THOUGH……..go to kalix

RAW GROW All-in-One

RAW GROW is a tested blend of all 12 RAW Soluble plant nutrients, essential elements and supplements. This blend has been proven to be an optimal all-in-one base “Grow” horticultural fertilizer. RAW GROW is used through out the entire vegetative stage. Derived from: Plant protein hydrolysate...

npk-industries.com

Thanks I purchased an 8oz bag from Amazon, they are a little cheaper there than on the website. It instructs 1 tsp per gallon of water, 48 tsp in the bag so good for 48 gallons of nutrient? Should be enough until JM seedlings outgrow their 1inch cube.

 

[cmeg1]

Thanks I purchased an 8oz bag from Amazon, they are a little cheaper there than on the website. It instructs 1 tsp per gallon of water, 48 tsp in the bag so good for 48 gallons of nutrient? Should be enough until JM seedlings outgrow their 1inch cube.

Do not be concerned……I find this of utmost quality…..I use nearly all of the ingrediants in bulk supply!!
loads of bio-stimulants and natural chealators like amino acids,fulvic acid.
The amino acids have L Glycine and L Glutamate which actually innrease calcium uptake 1000’s of times……..normal uptake of calcium is through transpiration process……these two choice amino’s create ion uptake channels for calcium directly on the roots……..an actual form of bio-fungicide in Holland……makes plants much more pectin in stomata and plant cuticles to withstand mold spors from invading.

Definately ph 5.5-6.5 for best use and get all the important metal ions like iron and magnesium that are ph dependant to be available…….so important for photosynthesis.

****** I just read the ingrediants*****……while these two L aminos are present…….you can add with the product below for some super calcium absorption( although they are present in the amino product they include in the All in One Grow……just in lower concentration)…….stuff is incredible……

 

[cmeg1]

The outdoor storage of the Siberian Elm flats has worked fine.

I literally just dumped about 400 of these elms in a pile in the wooden inground box and they all did fine…..no mold as it was opened nearly every daytime as long as not frozen……….

The plans are inspring as I write this…..definately a growout and maintained as starters quite large.
Chopped and shaped and letting leaders do the work…..sacrifice leaders that is.

 

[cmeg1]

Outdoor grown pines seem ok after winter.

These seedling clumps were mostly grown outside.They have a nice green color after the winter in the cold box.The same box the Siberian Elm were stored.They fare much better when the lid is opened every single day it is 32f or above and also letting rain fall upon them too.And some light….the norther shade light is fine and preferred in winter or the box heats up way to much.
I like to hang on to some of these and see how they do in this stonewool and freezing too over winter…..they froze solid.

 

[cmeg1]

THE SIBERIAN ELMS ARE QUITE STOCKY AND FULL OF BUDS

I am putting all these into 3x3x2.5” Grodan Delta Blocks.This will be fun to grow them out into rather tall whips this season in the shallow 2.5” blocks and chop back hard after trunk thickening.I plan on growing all these trunks by this method indoors in the grow over winter with co2 with the bare minimum dormancy and will get a fanastic early start to next season and eventually sell.
The shallow 3x3x2.5” blocks look fantastic and will keep everything very shallow,but should still allow a very long sacrifice leader for trunk building.

 

[tangledtanuki]

Just spent the morning reading these awesome posts from start to now. First of all, thanks so much for sharing these details and the great photo's along with it. Over here in Israel getting starter material is nigh on impossible and I have been on the edge of just doing it myself. Today you convinced me that it's possible and will start turning things up a level and growing them with this ebb and flow method. I have so many questions so not sure if I should throw them in here as I don't want to side track all this great information but it will be related mainly to what you've been doing here. Would that be OK?

 

[cmeg1]

Just spent the morning reading these awesome posts from start to now. First of all, thanks so much for sharing these details and the great photo's along with it. Over here in Israel getting starter material is nigh on impossible and I have been on the edge of just doing it myself. Today you convinced me that it's possible and will start turning things up a level and growing them with this ebb and flow method. I have so many questions so not sure if I should throw them in here as I don't want to side track all this great information but it will be related mainly to what you've been doing here. Would that be OK?

Pm ( private message) is better……..I work 6 days a week generally all day…..but can check in the evening and gove help