Pine seedlings for Europe Nuts

[Mihai]

Hello guys,

I was wondering if there's anyone here from Europe who has any source for Japanese black and/or white pine seedlings. I can't find anyone selling them in Romania.
Thanks in advance.

 

[Starfox]

Amazon is always my first port of call and most seller ship to all EU countries.
May as well start from seed really, it'll only put you a season behind.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=japanese+black+pine+seeds

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=japanese+white+pine+seeds&rh=i:aps,k:japanese+white+pine+seeds

 

[Mihai]

Thank you @Starfox
How hard are they to germinate?
Never germinated anything more serious than chilly peppers.

 

[Starfox]

Not sure really, I have never tried with pine seeds so can't say specifically.

It's probably not all that hard and most packets come with basic instructions.

 

[Quince]

I have found all types of black pine to be really easy, and I don't do anything special. I just soak them over night, then fold into a damp paper towel seal in a plastic bag and into the fridge for a month or two. When I see some of the seeds splitting I know it's time to pot them up. I know that there are lots of people here with more experience than I, but like @Starfox said it's not all that hard. Now if I could just get my white pine seeds to cooperate...

 

[Anthony]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_s...s=aps&field-keywords=japanese+black+pine+seed

on our side [ Tropics ] an overnight soak and then just plant ------- seedlings in 10 days onwards.
Good Luck
Anthony

 

[just.wing.it]

I have found all types of black pine to be really easy, and I don't do anything special. I just soak them over night, then fold into a damp paper towel seal in a plastic bag and into the fridge for a month or two. When I see some of the seeds splitting I know it's time to pot them up. I know that there are lots of people here with more experience than I, but like @Starfox said it's not all that hard. Now if I could just get my white pine seeds to cooperate...

Do you start them in spring?
Is it a bad idea to start some in mid summer?

 

[just.wing.it]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=japanese+black+pine+seed

on our side [ Tropics ] an overnight soak and then just plant ------- seedlings in 10 days onwards.
Good Luck
Anthony

Are supposed to require a cold stratification process in temperate climates?

 

[Quince]

Do you start them in spring?
Is it a bad idea to start some in mid summer?

I have started them in the spring with good results. This year I planted them in February and set them 3" under LEDs to give them a head start. Here in zone5 I would not start anything this late.

 

[Bonsai Nut]

How hard are they to germinate?

Not hard at all, though they do require a cold stratification period. Most seeds come with instructions but trust me it is not complicated. One hint - before you put the seeds into cold stratification, soak them first in a 3% hydrogen peroxide solution for five minutes, then rinse in clean tap water. This will cut down significantly on potential fungus issues while in the fridge.

 

[AlainK]

A very reliable source I've already mentioned:

https://www.semencesdupuy.com/en/pinus-thunbergii.html

I'm pretty sure they can deliver to Romania.

6€50 + shipping (which shouldn't be expensive) for about 280 seeds is a very good price especially since, from my experience, 80% of the seeds will germinate. Stratification for 2 months at 3-5°C before sowing in the spring. Since I had so many, I also tried some with "natura" stratification: I just planted them on a pot that I left outside, the winter did the rest. The rate of germination was about the same.

 

[dirk hoorelbeke]

Had seeds from there, very good result.

 

[Anthony]

I suspect the Japanese seeds from the Japanese firm [ comes in a pack ] are probably
pre-treated
Purchased probably 10 packs, not one needed cold -------- did soak all for 1 day however.
Germination on 30 seeds - around 25 and then nature takes over.
Good Day
Anthony

* We now use hardwood cuttings as you would have read before.

 

[DirkvanDreven]

made about 150 seedling cuttings from 3 different black pines this spring. Thunbergii, Nigra and Uncinata, wich in Spain is called Pino Nero.
Got my seeds also from france, semencesdupuy.com, Romania will be no problem as it's part of EU also.

 

[AlainK]

A very reliable source I've already mentioned:

And I grew dozens of Acer palmatum, Acer buregerianum, and also Sequoia sempervirens, Taxodium distichum, Ulmus coreana, Celtis laevis and a few others I can't name right now, but their seeds are the best one can get in Europe.

For "Acer discolor", there"s a place in the south of France : http://site.plantes-web.fr/florama/0/boutique/34655/acer_discolor.htm#.WWfnolFpwdU

 

[petegreg]

It's not easy to find japanese pines seedlings. Some good bonsai nurseries offer grafted pines for a reasonable price from their own propagation.
https://www.maillot-bonsai.com/en/recherche/0/pinus+parviflora
...one of them, sometimes the link shows no results, just use a search engine.

 

[Mihai]

Hello everyone, thank you for the feedback. You've convinced me to try to germinate seeds .
As I have no previous experience with JBP, an additional question: is there any particular cultivar that I'm looking for? Anything you had particular success with? Or are they all created equal more or less?

Thanks.
Mihai

 

[AlainK]

Apart from "cork-bark" JBP, I don't think cultivars are used for bonsai, it's usually the plain species which is used. These grow rather quicly compared to other pines.

You should have a look at Jonas Dupuich's excellent blog:
https://bonsaitonight.com/2016/08/17/grow-japanese-black-pine-seed/

And many other entries tagged "black pine":
https://bonsaitonight.com/tag/black-pine/