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This is a newly arrived PP that again, thought it deserved it's own thread.

It's backbudding and ready to be worked. But I want to live with it before I make a decision, besides, not the time to be styling this anyway.
 

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This is a newly arrived PP that again, thought it deserved it's own thread.

It's backbudding and ready to be worked. But I want to live with it before I make a decision, besides, not the time to be styling this anyway.

Are you certain this is Ponderosa? It looks a lot more like Lodge Pole. Either way it's a great tree.
 

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I was once told to remove the flowers or cones on ponderosa pines in the spring because they take too much energy from the tree. Have you ever heard of this before?
 

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Are you certain this is Ponderosa? It looks a lot more like Lodge Pole. Either way it's a great tree.

That's why I asked Randy multiple times as I thought the same. But it's a pp.

The only problem I'm going to have is where the T branch is, one of the branches has a small separation from the main trunk making big bends questionable unless raffia alone will keep it intact. I'm going to discuss this with Ryan in July.
 

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I was once told to remove the flowers or cones on ponderosa pines in the spring because they take too much energy from the tree. Have you ever heard of this before?

I have Dave, and I removed them all on my other two pp's. I just haven't gotten around to doing it yet. Today as I've got the whole day to play!
 

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I was once told to remove the flowers or cones on ponderosa pines in the spring because they take too much energy from the tree. Have you ever heard of this before?
I just bought 3 Yamadori Ponderosas from Randy Knight and one is flowering. He told me DON"T remove them. They won't hurt the tree and you will likely damage it if you do. I know the last from bad experience. When they dry out after awhile they can be brushed off easily with no damage.
 

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The pollen cones wont hurt anything but if they set cones I would think about it. But I don't grow Pondies and Randy grows a lot of them.
 

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That's why I asked Randy multiple times as I thought the same. But it's a pp.

The only problem I'm going to have is where the T branch is, one of the branches has a small separation from the main trunk making big bends questionable unless raffia alone will keep it intact. I'm going to discuss this with Ryan in July.

Lodgepoles have 2 needles/ cluster and pondys 3 so no problem to verify.

Great trunk, looking forward to updates.
 

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sara.JPG I now agree, way too easy to damage candles. Btw, I'm about to pot this pine up in this oval Sara Raynor pot. Now that I have some nicer material, I need to buy some appropriate pots. Hard to afford education, trees and then pots lol These are just 2/4 of my pot collection.
 
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Lodgepoles have 2 needles/ cluster and pondys 3 so no problem to verify.

Great trunk, looking forward to updates.
Actually some Ponderosas have 2 needles as well. This may be subspecies or even within a subspecies. To me the long needles said it wasn't a lodgepole right off. I agree that this is a great tree with some great movement to start with. As for the split I've seen a screw used to hold things together and help them heal and insure no further damage at that point. I'd still use raffia and be very careful at that joint anyway. Don't worry about removing the screw. Just use the smallest one that'll do the job without splitting the branch and let the tree grow around it.
 
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The pollen cones wont hurt anything but if they set cones I would think about it. But I don't grow Pondies and Randy grows a lot of them.
Hi Master Vance. I got to visit Ryan Neil and his many outstanding trees last summer and noticed several of his Ponderosas had nice miniature but mature cones on them and this supported my personal leanings. I think that if any of my pines get them I'll be happy to have them as they show the tree is mature. I've also wondered why if folks want fruit and flowers on their fruiting trees why we shouldn't want fruit on our conifers?
 

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I like that oval, it oughtta look good in it!

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Cones are OK on mature and healthy trees, and maybe not so much on trees that are not. It is believed that they steal energy from the tree and the belief is true. Any living thing that has some sort of method of reproduction will expend energy doing so.
 

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Most ponderosa pines in Oregon, Idaho, and Washington have 3 needles. Most ponderosas in Wyoming and Colorado have 2 needles.
This is just a natural geographic variation.
 

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Most ponderosa pines in Oregon, Idaho, and Washington have 3 needles. Most ponderosas in Wyoming and Colorado have 2 needles.
This is just a natural geographic variation.
Huh, whaddya know eh? I've never heard of the 2 needle pondys before. Never seen a two needle pondy north of the border except for very young trees, thanks for the correction.
 

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Cones are OK on mature and healthy trees, and maybe not so much on trees that are not. It is believed that they steal energy from the tree and the belief is true. Any living thing that has some sort of method of reproduction will expend energy doing so.

As I myself do.
 

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Talked to Ryan about this tree this last weekend. At the top T split, it's slightly separated. Some come next style, I'll need to support the junction by supporting the first couple inches with a piece of wood vertically, and then I can safely make the big bend needed. Nice to have a game plan.
 

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Please err on the side of caution. This tree deserves it.
 
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