Possible ID for pine?

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I know it is a long shot but hoping some of you can help with ID for a couple of pines I've found down here. I can't give any natural range to work with as all pines here have been imported however these have naturalized in a sub-alpine ski resort area in our mountains where it contends with snow for 3-6 months of the year at 1500m (about 4,500 ft).
I have tried working through the pine keys but I don't understand all the terms used to differentiate so got nowhere pretty fast with that.

Tree 1 is a 2 needle species. This one is the largest left after the area was cleared of 'weeds' a few years ago.
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These are some of the seedlings that are germinating all through the area.
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There are also some more mature specimens in the township area which I'm pretty confident is the same species or at least closely related.
Bark has shallow cracks rather than 'plates' which could eliminate some species.
As mentioned, these could originate from Europe, US or Asia as they are not native here.

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ID for the second species will be even more unlikely as i only saw a couple of small seedlings growing on a ski run. It's a 5 needle species but other than that there's little to go on as I cannot locate any mature trees for shape or cones.
Any help gratefully received.

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Mugo mughus can be prostate, has tiny cones and very little rough bark. But they don't get this tall.

Banksiana is known to produce tiny cones and tiny seeds as well. But they are also known to have tiny needles and express a yellowish color.

On the second one I have no clue.
 

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First one possibly Lodgepole Pine. No idea on second one;).
 

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I know it is a long shot but hoping some of you can help with ID for a couple of pines I've found down here. I can't give any natural range to work with as all pines here have been imported however these have naturalized in a sub-alpine ski resort area in our mountains where it contends with snow for 3-6 months of the year at 1500m (about 4,500 ft).
I have tried working through the pine keys but I don't understand all the terms used to differentiate so got nowhere pretty fast with that.

Tree 1 is a 2 needle species. This one is the largest left after the area was cleared of 'weeds' a few years ago.
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These are some of the seedlings that are germinating all through the area.
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The cone look like a scott pine cone, and the needles of the 3 last pics look like scott pine too.
The bark & needles of the 5 first pics look like mugo pine or uncinata pine.
It is possible to have an hybridation between scotts pine & uncinata.. or scotts pine & mugo pine.
 

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ID for the second species will be even more unlikely as i only saw a couple of small seedlings growing on a ski run. It's a 5 needle species but other than that there's little to go on as I cannot locate any mature trees for shape or cones.
Any help gratefully received.

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The short size of the needles makes me exclude the pinus strobus.
I would say pinus flexilis or pinus cembra
 
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