Difficult to guess how old it is unless to cut and see the annual ring...
Sam, not so much nice Premna now, luckily I still have quite alots nice ones
Re. Streblus on rock, he sent me few pictures, but they were not that good, so I didn't pass them to you. I plan to visit him...will keep you updated.
Robert, you said they weren't that good, I assumed from leaf size(usually see them-especially yours with much smaller leaves) that they are a work in progress, although your work in progress is often better than most folks show trees. All I meant was that our trees can't be ready to show all the time, they need time to do what trees need to do grow out. Maybe I misunderstood what you wrote - "Sam, not so much nice Premna now, luckily I still have quite alots nice ones" I took this as you meant they weren't so nice, as they were in training still.
OK I got it Bill. I meant it's getting difficult to find good Premna materials now. Tks for your nice words..
Yes, the leaves size will get smaller following the refinement of the ramification structure.