Princess šŸ‘‘ Persimmon no. 1

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Received this Princess Persimmon from Julian Adams. He was a gem and very knowledgeable of the species. Will update in autumn for lead drop to truly see the branching. It has a lot of possibilities, itā€™s pretty tall but the base is great and branching has abilities to be wired depending on styling. There are also some older seedling in the pot too as bonus. I want to put one of these into a mame pot (cough ahem, @Pitoon ). Asking those with experience, Julian said it could take 2-3 seasons to see fruiting again since it fruits on previous years new wood, also the roots like to be pot bound, how difficult is it to safely prune the roots , itā€™s in a 10ā€ pot now 3.5ā€ deep. Plan on keeping this baby in the cold garage over winter as a safety precaution.
 

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Nice. Iā€™m curious to hear what people have to say, my understanding is that they are difficult to care for but Iā€™ve never looked into what it entails. Theyā€™re gorgeous little trees, though.
 

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To add , this is a female persimmon with female seedlings. Julian told me they donā€™t need male flowers to bear fruit but might be seedless. This one has fruit with seeds in it that Iā€™ll propagate in hope I can get male fruits some day to increase that process. Will be repotting in spring time, and wiring out branches I select in fall.ā€¦ Seems to be a very nuanced species, but Julian has been gracious to share his knowledge so Iā€™m thankful for that. Iā€™ll be selecting the smaller ones and possibly try a root cutting. ā€¦
 

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To add , this is a female persimmon with female seedlings. Julian told me they donā€™t need male flowers to bear fruit but might be seedless. This one has fruit with seeds in it that Iā€™ll propagate in hope I can get male fruits some day to increase that process. Will be repotting in spring time, and wiring out branches I select in fall.ā€¦ Seems to be a very nuanced species, but Julian has been gracious to share his knowledge so Iā€™m thankful for that. Iā€™ll be selecting the smaller ones and possibly try a root cutting. ā€¦
I was wondering if it was a male or female.
 

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The real value is in the roots IMO since they propagate easily and the shapes are awesome. When you repot it's best to leave more roots on a PP than say a JM, and the tree will sulk that year anyway. I also repot later in the spring when the buds are really pushing. When you pot up your suckers, its not unusual for them to not push leaves until July.
 

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The real value is in the roots IMO since they propagate easily and the shapes are awesome. When you repot it's best to leave more roots on a PP than say a JM, and the tree will sulk that year anyway. I also repot later in the spring when the buds are really pushing. When you pot up your suckers, its not unusual for them to not push leaves until July.
Thanks , interesting Julian told me to repot before any buds push like late winter and then protect from frost. He did mention the roots to not prune as heavilyā€¦. But yeah Iā€™ll be looking for some gnarly roots down there , and maybe see if I can get it into a 7-8ā€ pot thatā€™s 3ā€ deep ā€¦ talking about the main tree most of the outer roots I predict are their own sucker seedlings by now. Will be cool to wire those up. Iā€™m just super stoked on this along with everything else lol Iā€™m always stoked on bonsai.
 

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Looking at the way this root base extends I wonder how possible it will be to safely reduce this over time or in early spring when I repot, using to expose this root more seeing whatā€™s on both sides likely changing the angle. Iā€™m guessing the latter may be safest, and then also taking some rooot cuttings from the suckers that are already out of the pot , there are a few on the same side of that bigger root , Iā€™ll bet there is a cool root down there to cut and propagate
 

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Nice. Iā€™m curious to hear what people have to say, my understanding is that they are difficult to care for but Iā€™ve never looked into what it entails. Theyā€™re gorgeous little trees, though.
They are easy to grow here. Kinda easy normal. In garage this winter. Always hummingbirds. Mine are all in nursery pots of various size, afraid of root work.
 

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They are easy to grow here. Kinda easy normal. In garage this winter. Always hummingbirds. Mine are all in nursery pots of various size, afraid of root work.
Ahhh yeah that seems to be the consensusā€¦ figured Iā€™d remove the suckers coming out of the pot , and start with that. Going to try and fit it into a 8-7ā€ pot , and do some pruning after leaf drop. Itā€™s a bit overgrown , so going to reel it in a bit.
 

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Pot should be going into the kiln for bisque sometime this month. Glaze firing will be shortly after the bisque firing.
 

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Sheā€™s getting some color.. totally didnā€™t notice the other side of the rootā€¦ this changes everything, Iā€™ll have to wait till leaf drop , but I think I found a new potting angle. Just gotta see how the branching will play out .. It will def be a full tree, and since the areas that have fruit will hang on Iā€™ll know where to not trim when the time comes. This is gonna be fun, canā€™t wait to use the little shoots tooā€¦ super stoked on this too..
 

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You have a very nice plant there. It is hard to develop girth on these trees; their growth even as a bush is extremely leggy, and they sucker like mad. Think Japanese quince, but not as compact growth. Also they have extremely hard brittle wood. Wire early or forget it.

I have one male and about a dozen larger females... and perhaps 200 seedlings in various stages of development. This is probably my favorite bonsai plant and I am smitten. Once I get my new house built I am going to be growing a ton. FWIW different varieties will yield different fruit, and the shapes vary from almost perfectly round to very pointed. Colors when ripe can be a deep cherry red through orange to yellow. Some fruits are clean, others speckled. Love it!
 

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You have a very nice plant there. It is hard to develop girth on these trees; their growth even as a bush is extremely leggy, and they sucker like mad. Think Japanese quince, but not as compact growth. Also they have extremely hard brittle wood. Wire early or forget it.

I have one male and about a dozen larger females... and perhaps 200 seedlings in various stages of development. This is probably my favorite bonsai plant and I am smitten. Once I get my new house built I am going to be growing a ton. FWIW different varieties will yield different fruit, and the shapes vary from almost perfectly round to very pointed. Colors when ripe can be a deep cherry red through orange to yellow. Some fruits are clean, others speckled. Love it!
Thanks! Just going to try and get some pad development or see how much I can thin it out. Iā€™m happy with the girth, just trying to plan rest of the tree out. Iā€™m thinking these for a pot
 

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Thanks! Just going to try and get some pad development or see how much I can thin it out. Iā€™m happy with the girth, just trying to plan rest of the tree out. Iā€™m thinking these for a pot
Great pots. Where did you locate them?
 

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Thanks! Just going to try and get some pad development or see how much I can thin it out. Iā€™m happy with the girth, just trying to plan rest of the tree out. Iā€™m thinking these for a pot
At this time of year, even though the tree is currently bearing fruit, you should be able to distinguish next year's flower buds from the generic leaf buds. They should be visually obvious - almost like the tree was about to burst out in growth but not quite. Needless to say - don't prune those off if you want fruit next year. However the other buds can be pruned without risk. It is a delicate operation if you want to balance growth and still get fruit each year.
 

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200 seedlings in various stages of development. This is probably my favorite bonsai plant and I am smitten

I imported 35 cultivars from Japan, and im desperate to find seed so i can begin producing rootstock for propagating these cultivars

Can i ask where you found the seeds?

Iā€™ll keep you in mind next time i drive down the east coast if youā€™re interested in any of the cultivars
 

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