Forsoothe!
Imperial Masterpiece
We're speaking to gradients of growing mediums' ability to obtain higher levels of growth, not all or nothing at all.
Not sure if that is a response to my comment, but if it is...even when you remove the fertilizer (if using organic) or stop applying liquid fertilizers after decandling, the JBP still growWe're speaking to gradients of growing mediums' ability to obtain higher levels of growth, not all or nothing at all.
My comment applied to post #99, not yours.Not sure if that is a response to my comment, but if it is...even when you remove the fertilizer (if using organic) or stop applying liquid fertilizers after decandling, the JBP still grow
just fine. So it's not all or nothing.
“Higher levels of growth”We're speaking to gradients of growing mediums' ability to obtain higher levels of growth, not all or nothing at all.
I will be developing a display garden this spring and summer.KICKSTART for some bench material?
And you're assuming I'm not growing nice bonsai? You're getting a little bit out over your skis... The metaphor is: stuff can or cannot grow in mediums that are wetter than your high drainage mix. If you must only grow nice bonsai in bone-dry conditions and all else are going to be failures or at least left wanting, then the millions of things grown by commercial growers can't exist. Conversely, if they do grows millions and millions of plants, including pines, in soggy conditions, then for sure super bone dry mixes are not required for pines in bonsai. Lay on, McDuff...“Higher levels of growth”
What does that even mean?
Do I want fast growth if my trees in bonsai pots? Fast growth usually means long internodes. And often, large leaves.
Or, do I want tight growth with lots of short internodes, highly ramified branches, small leaves and needles?
Let me think about that...
The commercial growers want growth to be as fast as possible to get the tree large enough to be saleable. Do they care about long internodes? Not at all. They might want “bushy” because they know “foliage sells”. Will the commercial growers care about the nebari and/or circling roots? Not at all they know that eventually the tree will be planted in the ground to grow out any which way. All they want is for it to grow to size quickly. And then when they sell it to the retailer, it not die waiting for the consumer to buy it. And then, not to die within a year after the consumer buys it and plants it.
They are NOT CONCERNED with having a root system that will be able to be contained in a small pot for decades.
They are NOT CONCERNED with short internodes.
They are NOT CONCERNED with growing trunks and branches with taper.
They are NOT CONCERNED with developing attractive nebari.
Instead...
They ARE CONCERNED with growing as fast as possible.
They ARE CONCERNED with producing the tree as cheaply as possible. Both with the cost of the soil, the amount of water, and the amount of labor cost.
They ARE CONCERNED that the tree live at least a year past it’s retail sale.
Now, compare the commercial growers concerns and don’t cares to what we as bonsai people want in our trees.
Maybe, we ought to do things a little differently than the commercial growers.
And you're assuming I'm not growing nice bonsai? You're getting a little bit out over your skis... The metaphor is: stuff can or cannot grow in mediums that are wetter than your high drainage mix. If you must only grow nice bonsai in bone-dry conditions and all else are going to be failures or at least left wanting, then the millions of things grown by commercial growers can't exist. Conversely, if they do grows millions and millions of plants, including pines, in soggy conditions, then for sure super bone dry mixes are not required for pines in bonsai. Lay on, McDuff...
From the photos you've posted, and from the pics Adair has posted (although there a bit apples to oranges with deciduous/pine) I'd say Adair skis perfectly well...And you're assuming I'm not growing nice bonsai? You're getting a little bit out over your skis... The metaphor is: stuff can or cannot grow in mediums that are wetter than your high drainage mix. If you must only grow nice bonsai in bone-dry conditions and all else are going to be failures or at least left wanting, then the millions of things grown by commercial growers can't exist. Conversely, if they do grows millions and millions of plants, including pines, in soggy conditions, then for sure super bone dry mixes are not required for pines in bonsai. Lay on, McDuff...
I put my solid organic fertilizer in teabags to minimize the fines from getting into the soil. Every time I water, some NPK is leached out, and made available to the tree in liquid form.Question - take an inorganic soil and add fermented oil seed meal cake
as it decays and becomes compost, the particles filter down
and the inorganic soil now has an organic component.
So purely inorganic soil would be hydroponics and you add any type of man-made fertiliser.
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The microbes are supposed to use N.P.K ..............
Which the roots make use of.
So what is the difference between - a purely inorganic soil and oil seed meal
with fish emulsion
And an inorganic with a small % of compost using a weak man made fertiliser.
Also when you use teabags does one alter the above to just supplying
N.P.K ...... ?
When talking about maintenance as written by Sifu [ Adair ]
Good Day
Anthony
Post 97, Post 24 & 47, Post 22, Post 16As to whether you have nice bonsai or not, I can’t tell. I’ve only seen one reasonably close up picture of one of your trees: a forest, and I couldn’t really see that well enough to pass any sort of judgement.
Is that how you grow your bonsai?
You be the judge. And these are typical pots. And you're still being condescendingYou say you pot your trees kind of deep. Why? Do you have layers of old matted roots?
You wouldnt want to use the Walter Pall method of fertilizing.Forsoothe!, you feel that the tree “feeds” itself from the soil. The practioners who use inorganic souls mixes do not. The use fertilizers to provide the nutrients the tree needs.
With “dirt”, there is little control over the fertilizer. With an inorganic soil mix, it’s possible to control how much fertilizer is available.
So, for trees you want to grow, adding fertilizer will help them grow. If, on the other hand, you have a highly refined tree that’s in more of a maintence mode rather than in development, you might prefer to provide less fertilizer to prevent overly vigorous growth.
The point is, it’s controllable if you use inorganic soil. Not so with organic soil.
And... you are arguing with a highly trained bonsaist.Post 97, Post 24 & 47, Post 22, Post 16
You be the judge. And these are typical pots. And you're still being condescending
And this.. Next time I'm in your neighborhood I'll leave you a bag of experimental materials...
Apparently you haven't seen one of Adair' or Vances trees. Or if you did you wouldn't know a world class tree from a log. Which is fairly obvious. These guys have had trees in National shows. Invitation only. Have you? Will you? If you have or will in the next say 2 years I'll be quiet. But once again I think you're just trying to start an argument because your mix blows no matter how you spin it.We can pity them. They're the same people who design trees that are ugly from the side. Old school. Class of 1923.
It's not something nasty, is it? He doesn't accept New Jersey's brownfield development shipments? Three Mile Island soil? Hudson River spoilsYou wouldnt want to use the Walter Pall method of fertilizing.
You have the sense of humor of a Troll. And, you're condescending, too. A nice combination, but I'm not intimidated. I respect nice trees for what they are, but don't automatically attribute all the knowledge in the world to the owners. I won't be exhibiting any trees in any invitational shows because I don't have those kinds of trees. That doesn't mean I don't have nice trees, and doesn't mean that I'm not knowledgeable in horticulture. I won't shut up to please you or anybody else. I won't give up trying to spread new ideas. If you don't like it, you know what you can do...And... you are arguing with a highly trained bonsaist.
If I were you I would try to soak some of this guy's advice in.
I can guarantee he knows as much about this bonsai stuff as anyone.
How long you been at it?
40,50 years or more of experience like Adair or Vance?
But yet you post crap like this in response to Vance. He's being very generous still trying to help after that little insult.
But that's why I'm here.
And this.
Apparently you haven't seen one of Adair' or Vances trees. Or if you did you wouldn't know a world class tree from a log. Which is fairly obvious. These guys have had trees in National shows. Invitation only. Have you? Will you? If you have or will in the next say 2 years I'll be quiet. But once again I think you're just trying to start an argument because your mix blows no matter how you spin it.
Hahahahaha!You have the sense of humor of a Troll. And, you're condescending, too. A nice combination, but I'm not intimidated. I respect nice trees for what they are, but don't automatically attribute all the knowledge in the world to the owners. I won't be exhibiting any trees in any invitational shows because I don't have those kinds of trees. That doesn't mean I don't have nice trees, and doesn't mean that I'm not knowledgeable in horticulture. I won't shut up to please you or anybody else. I won't give up tryingm to spread new ideas. If you don't like it, you know what you can do...
I was hoping for pictures more like this:Post 97, Post 24 & 47, Post 22, Post 16
You be the judge. And these are typical pots. And you're still being condescending
Let me jump into the discussion and be condescending too. I cannot believe this is going on for 6 pages already!Post 97, Post 24 & 47, Post 22, Post 16
You be the judge. And these are typical pots. And you're still being condescending