Sharpening a Grafting Knife

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I can offer some insights on what I was looking for when I bought a grafting knife, but I cant speak to specific vendors beyond the one I purchased from. In general quality Japanese tools are made from laminated steel which is steel forge welded to iron, while the most expensive works are sometimes all steel that is hardened in the same manner as traditional swords, that is not a requirement for basic tools in my experience.

In Japanese tools the typical steels are; White 1, White 2, Blue 1 and Super Blue Hitachi steels with some makers having special blends made for them and some actually making their own steel and iron. Typically what's referred to as 'white' without the notation is going to be white 2. The basics of it are that the white steels are high carbon steel and that blue steel is a high carbon steel with tungsten and chromium making it more wear resistant.

Some of the absolute peak of quality in Japanese tools has been made with white number one, such as chisels where the maker was capable of making an incredibly hard edge that does not chip (I understand this to have a good deal of association with the particulars of how it is forge welded and the properties of the iron it is forge welded to). The majority of the high end makers are working with Blue steel and super blue in their higher end products and white steel in their mid-range products.

So, since I was looking for a user my qualifications were laminated steel to iron, with a good shape for grafting that was comfortable in the hand. The maker's reputation for quality matters a lot to me because in practical use it only becomes apparent on the sharpening stone and in use over years
 

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I know this is an old thread but....


Anyone else use the Kaneshin GB? If so, which specific one from them?


Just looking to buy one but not sure what to get.
 

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I know this is an old thread but....


Anyone else use the Kaneshin GB? If so, which specific one from them?


Just looking to buy one but not sure what to get.
Buy one of mine Joe! I will send it bare root so shipping is cheapest ;)
 

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I am confused; you sell grafting knifes?


First I have heard of it.
image.jpeg No confusion. Here are the tools. I hand make these from SS, the gouge and the knife are razor sharp and I offer free sharpening for life.
 

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View attachment 90659 No confusion. Here are the tools. I hand make these from SS, the gouge and the knife are razor sharp and I offer free sharpening for life.
Nice!


Do you sell them seperately or just as a set? I already have trusty root rakes but the 'chopstick' and grafting knife are quite nice


Either way, what are you asking for them?
 

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Nice!


Do you sell them seperately or just as a set? I already have trusty root rakes but the 'chopstick' and grafting knife are quite nice


Either way, what are you asking for them?
$55 each
$200 set of 4
 

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Oh ha so I look ignorant now.
No, not at all. I just wanted to make sure you knew it was a carving tool.
It does look like a chopstick:)
 
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For those with chisel ground or v-edge grafting knives you can build your own sharpening kit at a relatively low expense. For a reprofiling stone, 2x6 course diamond DMT plates will run about $20 or so. Then go to custom glass shop or window pane seller and have them cut you some 8x3 pieces of glass--should only cost a few bucks a piece. Buy some silicon carbide sandpaper (the black one often sold at auto stores) in various grits (300-2k)--under $10. Most grafting knives will be made from carbon steel or a simple stainless--meaning that they're easy to sharpen. You can wrap the sandpaper around the glass and sharpen the knife using only trailing strokes (the edge moving away from the abrasive) or light pressure as to avoid gouging the sandpaper. After you get at an appropriate final grit you can wrap some newspaper around the glass, rub on some jewelers rouge (the white or green one) and strop the edge to finish it up.

A general misconception is that the higher grit you go the sharper your knife will be--this is not always the case. As long as your strokes are consistent and you fully remove burrs (as mentioned in op's post) you can get very sharp crisp edges. If your knife isn't sharp or say cutting cleanly at the lower stage grits then it won't cut any better at the higher grits. I got into the hobby of collecting knives 4-5 years ago and consequently taught myself how to properly sharpen. My own kit is made from several expensive waterstones, but a functioning sharpening set up can still be had for pretty cheap. On another side note if you are searching for a grafting knife you don't necessarily have to spend a lot of money on high quality tools. A company called opinel makes simple but high quality pocket knives (can be had under $10) that would fulfill the role of grafting quite well. Their stainless varieties are made from sandvik steel which is easy to sharpen and has a very fine grain--ideal for grafting.
 

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Grafting setup commonly used in Orchards that do a large amount of grafting. Extremely sharp, blades last a LONG time, Easy to maintain:

The Handle -

http://shop.excelblades.com/p/k2-knife-w-safety-cap/shop-by-product_knives?pp=25

The Blade(s) -

http://www.desktopdrugstore.com/schick-injector-blades.html?gclid=COT55urH78kCFc2RHwodBloIYg

Strop to keep ultra sharp and just requires a few passes -

http://www.amazon.com/Leather-Handl...UTF8&qid=1450790802&sr=8-5&keywords=stropping

Compound applied to the Strop -

http://www.amazon.com/Green-Rouge-P..._UL160_SR160,160_&refRID=1KNT22J644WFDFN5ABGK

I find this Ceramic double sided works very good on flat blades, kitchen, pocket, and Bonsai tools -

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DMD-400-100...Sharpening-Stone-Whetstone-1201-/311427208466

Dressed with a bit of this(don't use WD-40 as a pro shows in a video) -

http://www.cvs.com/shop/health-medi...er-laxatives/cvs-mineral-oil-usp-skuid-152355

Grimmy
 

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Grafting setup commonly used in Orchards that do a large amount of grafting. Extremely sharp, blades last a LONG time, Easy to maintain:

The Handle -

http://shop.excelblades.com/p/k2-knife-w-safety-cap/shop-by-product_knives?pp=25

The Blade(s) -

http://www.desktopdrugstore.com/schick-injector-blades.html?gclid=COT55urH78kCFc2RHwodBloIYg

Strop to keep ultra sharp and just requires a few passes -

http://www.amazon.com/Leather-Handl...UTF8&qid=1450790802&sr=8-5&keywords=stropping

Compound applied to the Strop -

http://www.amazon.com/Green-Rouge-Polishing-Buffing-Compound/dp/B003K7U0J6/ref=pd_sim_201_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=41jBRnpj80L&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160,160_&refRID=1KNT22J644WFDFN5ABGK

I find this Ceramic double sided works very good on flat blades, kitchen, pocket, and Bonsai tools -

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DMD-400-100...Sharpening-Stone-Whetstone-1201-/311427208466

Dressed with a bit of this(don't use WD-40 as a pro shows in a video) -

http://www.cvs.com/shop/health-medi...er-laxatives/cvs-mineral-oil-usp-skuid-152355

Grimmy
Are U serious--schick razor blades fit in a exacto-type handle??
 

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Grafting setup commonly used in Orchards that do a large amount of grafting. Extremely sharp, blades last a LONG time, Easy to maintain:

The Handle -

http://shop.excelblades.com/p/k2-knife-w-safety-cap/shop-by-product_knives?pp=25

The Blade(s) -

http://www.desktopdrugstore.com/schick-injector-blades.html?gclid=COT55urH78kCFc2RHwodBloIYg

Strop to keep ultra sharp and just requires a few passes -

http://www.amazon.com/Leather-Handl...UTF8&qid=1450790802&sr=8-5&keywords=stropping

Compound applied to the Strop -

http://www.amazon.com/Green-Rouge-Polishing-Buffing-Compound/dp/B003K7U0J6/ref=pd_sim_201_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=41jBRnpj80L&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160,160_&refRID=1KNT22J644WFDFN5ABGK

I find this Ceramic double sided works very good on flat blades, kitchen, pocket, and Bonsai tools -

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DMD-400-100...Sharpening-Stone-Whetstone-1201-/311427208466

Dressed with a bit of this(don't use WD-40 as a pro shows in a video) -

http://www.cvs.com/shop/health-medi...er-laxatives/cvs-mineral-oil-usp-skuid-152355

Grimmy
Mineral oil is a good lubricant for oil stones, arkansas stones, and things of the like but generally is very messy to use and unnecessary with ceramics or other synthetic abrasives. For what you suggest some soap and water can be used--or used simply dry. Also linked ceramic appears to be a diamond abrasive with ceramic pull through. I will tell anyone with a decent pocket knife or grafting knife--do not use pull through sharpeners! I know of one man who sells custom pull through sharpers that work decent but in general these cheap pocket sharpeners ruin and damage the edge of your knife.
 

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Are U serious--schick razor blades fit in a exacto-type handle??

They do fit in the Exacto but the Excel K2 handle holds them far better, no wobble at all.

Grimmy
 

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do not use pull through sharpeners!

Agreed but the flat 400/1000 is the only part I use. The oil is just a habit from stone use. I do find the handle to be helpful especially on longer blades.

Grimmy
 
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