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I need.....or maybe want, desire? a few more pots :D

Getting an itch to buy some pots, and I wanted to check with you guys first and see what may be available :rolleyes:

Abstract less traditional pots are more what I'm looking for, if that helps.

Thanks and can't wait to see the pots!
 

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I know but I don't have a FB account for personal reasons.........

I was hoping maybe some of our members here had some not up on those auctions.
 

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I don't have a FB account for personal reasons.
But you can always start a Facebook account for bonsai reasons, and keep the personal stuff out.

In you neck of the woods, you don't necessarily need high fired pots. You might want to try locally first for the cheapest pots. Weigerts (sp?) seems to have a good selections based on what they sell on ebay.
 

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@StoneCloud .

Ever hear about taking a fist full of clay and sticking the thumb in, rotating and a pot forms.
Or taking a rolling pin and rolling out the clay and cutting out slabs, then scoring and sticking
it together ?
Pinch pot.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pinch+pot+tutorial

this one makes all shapes -


When it is mame' or up to 12 inches, it is more fun to make than buy.
Plus when the pots are small you can use bright, vibrant, loud, vulgar, noise glazes.

Paragon kiln company sells small kilns, take a look and then take look for second hand.

Or you can just make a kiln, which what K did.
X blocks, a kanthal coil and viola a test kiln.
Makes all of the small pots, and firing is over in 3 hrs or so, with glazes.

Buying can be very boring as you have to really look for what you want.
Plus if inclined, you can make mud men.
Good Day
Anthony
 

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But you can always start a Facebook account for bonsai reasons, and keep the personal stuff out.

In you neck of the woods, you don't necessarily need high fired pots. You might want to try locally first for the cheapest pots. Weigerts (sp?) seems to have a good selections based on what they sell on ebay.
This is true. I am familiar with Wigert's they are great. I've been to the nursery but never thought about them selling on ebay. Thank you. They are on the other side of the state from me so can't just hop over unfortunately

I like Erin pots, The free shipping on 5 pots is very tempting. I'm trying to justify it.....:D

@StoneCloud .

Ever hear about taking a fist full of clay and sticking the thumb in, rotating and a pot forms.
Or taking a rolling pin and rolling out the clay and cutting out slabs, then scoring and sticking
it together ?
Pinch pot.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pinch+pot+tutorial

this one makes all shapes -


When it is mame' or up to 12 inches, it is more fun to make than buy.
Plus when the pots are small you can use bright, vibrant, loud, vulgar, noise glazes.

Paragon kiln company sells small kilns, take a look and then take look for second hand.

Or you can just make a kiln, which what K did.
X blocks, a kanthal coil and viola a test kiln.
Makes all of the small pots, and firing is over in 3 hrs or so, with glazes.

Buying can be very boring as you have to really look for what you want.
Plus if inclined, you can make mud men.
Good Day
Anthony

I agree that buying is difficult and I never find exactly what I want. I have been really toying lately with the idea of making my own pots. For the mame contest I am pretty sure I'm going to make my own pot. I have much time to practice until I'll need it so that is good. A decently sized kiln seems pretty expensive, I'll have to see if I can find a good used one.

What temperature is he firing at?
 

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@StoneCloud ,

two things, I will see about showing you the test kiln and how simple it was to build.
It max's out 1260 deg.C [ Stoneware to Porcelain ]

K can make earthenware clay vitreous from 900 deg.C and normally goes to cone 08
which is 983 deg.C.

If you try, start out with around 5 lbs of an earthenware clay and a glaze just for fun.
Or --------
You can also test your wings with one of those Moulding Grannies ceramics.
Basic poured white body and a commercial jar of glaze.
You should have a place to go to, and they will have supplies.

In the 70's we had them everywhere on the island.

Today our cost factor is around 25 US cents for a mame' sized pot [ going for first firing ]
and 10 cents US for a glaze firing.

The commercial glazes have been improved tremendously and all the flashy stoneware glazes
are available in jars at earthenware temperatures. Not expensive.
For very little you can also colour that white body to browns.
More later.
Good Day
Anthony
 

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I envy you guys and your second hand market, finding a kiln here is nearly impossible and when you do they are nearly ticket price so may as well get one new.
Some of the smaller ones are more affordable but only fire to 1000deg, which may be ok in my climate and to start out on. Not managed to convince myself just yet.

Building one is an idea too, should look for some instructions and see if that is feasible.

I am getting more and more tempted by a Raku kiln though.
 

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@Anthony planning for future do you think reaching cone 10 should be thought about or cone 8 is fine for bonsai pots?

@Starfox I know I'm torn about making the leap or not as well. But I'm really thinking about making one. It's pretty easy to make a raku kiln check this out:

http://paulthepotter.blogspot.com/2010/07/making-my-dustbin-raku-kiln.html

there are a bunch of youtube vids also on firing and the results check it out!
 

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@Starfox ,

K has given permission to help you guys out.
So I will image the test kiln, and then you can use it as a blue print.

1000 deg.C and you need to look at making a ball mill.
Remember there are recipes for rendering earthenware clay vitreous at as low as 900 deg.C

Additionally, you will get a base glaze for 850 deg.C and go up if you need.
Remember enamels can also function as glazes and are extremely durable.

The only reason any of the above was not released, is because there was no interest.

Glaze and Pottery chemistry has advanced a good deal since 1950.
More to follow.
It is Sunday and I am the cook today, so plate is a little full. [ Won Ton soup, fried won tons --------- shrimp filled ]
Good Day
Anthony

* Raku is used on a porous [ normally stoneware body ] that ends up internally shattered, but the grog blocks
the cracks from travelling and breaking the wares.

Unless you design a low expansion body and then a low expansion glaze.

I would not suggest it for Bonsai --------------- green or white tea and tea bowls yes.
 

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Hee hee - @StoneCloud ,

Hey I said ----------- Vitreous ---------- from 900 deg.C [ cone 010 ] ------------------ why waste so much energy ?
to go to 1260 deg.C '[ cones 10 and 12 ]
You can also do Bone China at 1000 deg.C

And you can do it in gas as well.

Welcome to the New Age as he steps back into of the worm hole.
Good Day
Anthony
 

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@Starfox ,

you can also ----------- take sand, or ground perlite or ground mica or various paint ingredients,
use a hyper plastic clay / with or without bentonite, and commerical glae.
Make a plastic body and fire to 08.
Very durable as well.
Good Day
Anthony

A few more examples -

This how round shapes are made and the tool used [ serrated knife ]

simple inexpensive banding wheel screw fixed onto a sheet of plywood.

pottery%20wheel%20banding.JPG



knife with serrated edge.

pottery%20serrated%20knife.JPG

Sand body, coloured with underglaze pigment , glaze here is Soda Bicarbonate

pottery%20green.JPG

you are also allowed to carve pumice [ 2 bath stones joined together - cement ]


bath pumice stone.jpg

or carve soapstone, fire to 1000 deg.c and glaze it This was from the Indian store before the
shape was reworked.

soapstone.jpg

A sand body made by K's nephew N on the [ seen above ] banding wheel.


nick 1 IBC.jpg
 

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@robhunter14 ,

I would fit them more into the ornamental / curio cabinet situation.
It would be hard for a tree to compete, more or less harmonize with these pots.

BUT then I would say ,most excellent, because you have moved into the realm of Artist-Potter.
Stuff for museums and immortality.

The stuff from Yi Xing stays the way it does because of how the eye responds to those shapes
and trees,

Which is also why K has a pot range for just designs / ornaments and one for functional pots
for Bonsai.

Thanks for showing, much appreciated.
Good Day
Anthony
 

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Hee hee - @StoneCloud ,

Hey I said ----------- Vitreous ---------- from 900 deg.C [ cone 010 ] ------------------ why waste so much energy ?
to go to 1260 deg.C '[ cones 10 and 12 ]
You can also do Bone China at 1000 deg.C

And you can do it in gas as well.

Welcome to the New Age as he steps back into of the worm hole.
Good Day
Anthony
LOL thanks Anthony I was reading your post quickly this morning while holding the 2 year old while she told me her stories haha!

I see that it has changed a lot and I have some catching up to do!!!!

Thank you as always for all your help and insight!!
 

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I envy you guys and your second hand market, finding a kiln here is nearly impossible and when you do they are nearly ticket price so may as well get one new.
Some of the smaller ones are more affordable but only fire to 1000deg, which may be ok in my climate and to start out on. Not managed to convince myself just yet.

Building one is an idea too, should look for some instructions and see if that is feasible.


Check out the YouTube videos for Primitive Technologies.....he makes all manner of things in kilns made from mud.
 
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