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Tidal Bonsai

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I was at the beach today at Island Beach State Park when I noticed these really cool dune shrubs (no I didn’t commit a felony collecting them 😂). The leaves look similar to Hornbeam, but they have thorns and fruit that remind me of persimmons (they seem to start yellow and get orange/red). When I tried to find what they were, I got a list of hundreds of plants with no pictures or descriptions.

Any ideas? I thought they would make nice fruiting shohin or accents.
 

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Very welcome.

I am not sure they make long lasting branches though..
 

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Roses do make "pretty okay" bonsai. There are some exceptional specimens that have been exhibited at major Japanese shows. The trick is to dig up an old trunk. The branches are allowed to grow out, very long each season, then pruned back close to their starting point. You don't add a lot of wood each year. Old wood, and dead wood is not very durable. Owen Reich has one, that he has posted here a few times.
 

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Reminds me of the beach I’ve been to a thousand times where my folks live on Cape Cod... summer wouldn’t be complete without seeing them.
 

Tidal Bonsai

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Thanks for the tips, I have a ground cover rose that is developing pretty well as a Shohin. If this particular rose doesn’t do well as a “Bonsai” it may make a pretty neat accent for one of my New Jersey Pitch Pines.
 

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I have several hybrid roses, that I am slowly working toward bonsai. I do not have R. rugosa. You may be right that the die back nature of rugosa may make traditional bonsai with it difficult.

I assume it is like multiflora rose, which develops a massive underground woody trunk like root system. It dies back to the ground every winter. Perhaps if kept from freezing hard in winter, the "trunk" could be kept and developed. But I am speculating.
 
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