Shut the whole damn country down!

[Forsoothe!]

All models are incorrect; however, some are useful. Unlike your statement.

This is a real good example of stupid. If they are incorrect, to whom are they useful? And, how? The single utility of a predictive model is to predict something accurately.

 

[BrianBay9]

... make hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin generally available for prescription by all physicians in all states and used as a prophylactic by medical personnel. Will some people die? Yes, but no more than typically acceptable for living. This ia a simple three-step answer to this problem that has been over-blown because the medical field is not making a decision to do the least amount of harm instead of do no harm. By hesitating, more people are dying from Wuhan Virus alone than would have occurred from the combination of Wuhan and hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin intolerance and/or ineffectiveness in some people. That's the math that statisticians should be presenting to the public and leaders. God knows their models of the total mortality from the virus don't work and have been disparate from each other and what is actually occurring by an order of magnitude. This could be made policy tomorrow.

You sir are spectacularly ignorant - not sure if it's willful, or just buying into the Trump/Fox bullshit. I know it means nothing to you but I have spent a career developing drugs that work - can be proven to work. We will find therapies for this virus, but generally distributing an unproven therapy is madness. And, by the way, it will take months to ramp up production of drug that works. Shall we use all that production capacity on an unproven therapy? What happens if we find it doesn't work? A better therapy will be delayed, that's what. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU SPEAK! But of course our Republican colleagues would rather listen to Fox "analysts" than people who have spend their lives working in science and medicine.

 

[BrianBay9]

Here's a great idea from someone who's willing to put their money where their mouth is -

Bill Gates is helping fund new factories for 7 potential coronavirus vaccines, even though it will waste billions of dollars

Bill Gates had previously said a coronavirus vaccine could be developed in 18 months.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Forsoothe!]

You sir are spectacularly ignorant - not sure if it's willful, or just buying into the Trump/Fox bullshit. I know it means nothing to you but I have spent a career developing drugs that work - can be proven to work. We will find therapies for this virus, but generally distributing an unproven therapy is madness. And, by the way, it will take months to ramp up production of drug that works. Shall we use all that production capacity on an unproven therapy? What happens if we find it doesn't work? A better therapy will be delayed, that's what. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU SPEAK! But of course our Republican colleagues would rather listen to Fox "analysts" than people who have spend their lives working in science and medicine.

While you're fucking around at the edges people are dying. You are the personification of those who would allow the perfect to stand in the way of what works now, if imperfectly. It will happen, my way, much sooner than it will your way.

 

[Forsoothe!]

 

[Woocash]

Na na na, I can’t hear you

 

[Paradox]

The first confirmed case of corona virus in the U.S. was discovered in mid January 2020.

In two and a half months, coronavirus is now the 3rd highest cause of death per day in the US, after heart disease and cancer.
Thats more than chronic lung disease, accidents, strokes, alzheimers, flu and pnemonia.
We arent even at the apex yet.

 

[A. Gorilla]

18/19
17/18
16/17
15/16
14/15
13/14
12/13
11/12

Anyone can look up the US flu deaths for the past seasons. I already have.

Just indulge me with some cohesive reasons as to why weren't sending home every 20 year old kid who works at Panera, closing outdoor playgrounds, parroting new memes like "social distancing", and turning into rats for the state.

 

[Paradox]

Because a 22 year old can still die from it.
There have been deaths of perfectly healthy people in their 20s and 30s.

Because that 22 year old can also be an asymptomatic carrier and give it to everyone that comes into that Panera.
Or he/she can bring the virus home and kill his entire family

But I guess youre fine with that as long as its not your family

 

[Forsoothe!]

We entered this messed-up thinking when the Chinese started closing down cities, beginning with Wuhan where, just coincidentally, they have their one and only virus/biological warfare research lab and two doctors from that lab died from the virus. The alarm bells went off that they had created something that got out of control. When the skies over Beijing cleared up for the first time in 25 years because they shut down traffic there, that signaled to the world, catastrophe. Fear of the unknown writ large. Add to that the commies lying about how many were infected and dead and the whole world started thinking 1918. Fortunately, the commies didn't do the virus right either. The 1918 Spanish Flu killed young people, soldiers' age young men. While Wuhan is very contagious it kills old people, only useful to reduce China's population instead of the American soldiers it was aimed at. I'm sure the politburo is still in isolation...

 

[Dav4]

We entered this messed-up thinking when the Chinese started closing down cities, beginning with Wuhan where, just coincidentally, they have their one and only virus/biological warfare research lab and two doctors from that lab died from the virus. The alarm bells went off that they had created something that got out of control. When the skies over Beijing cleared up for the first time in 25 years because they shut down traffic there, that signaled to the world, catastrophe. Fear of the unknown writ large. Add to that the commies lying about how many were infected and dead and the whole world started thinking 1918. Fortunately, the commies didn't do the virus right either. The 1918 Spanish Flu killed young people, soldiers' age young men. While Wuhan is very contagious it kills old people, only useful to reduce China's population instead of the American soldiers it was aimed at. I'm sure the politburo is still in isolation...

WTF!!! The tin foil wrapped around your head must weigh ten pounds!!!

 

[PaleFire]

This is a real good example of stupid. If they are incorrect, to whom are they useful? And, how? The single utility of a predictive model is to predict something accurately.

Can i put a face palm emoji in?.....asking for a friend lol

 

[PaleFire]

You socialists out there in La-La-Land keep bashing the mechanism by which goods and service are provided. Socialism has never worked and has always descended into poverty and murder of its own citizens by those in charge removing dissenters. In the 20th Century more people were killed by their own governments than by opponents in war. Let that sink in. Now, who shall be in charge of the government that runs your country and/or the world? How shall you choose them, and how shall you un-choose them? The USSR tried that kind of government for 70 years and finally threw in the towel as being unworkable. China is what you get with socialism, how many people are sneaking into China because it's such a good place to live?

Trump needs to take control of the narrative and change the quarantine to self-identify problematic people who self-isolate, while others can return to business as normal, and make hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin generally available for prescription by all physicians in all states and used as a prophylactic by medical personnel. Will some people die? Yes, but no more than typically acceptable for living. This ia a simple three-step answer to this problem that has been over-blown because the medical field is not making a decision to do the least amount of harm instead of do no harm. By hesitating, more people are dying from Wuhan Virus alone than would have occurred from the combination of Wuhan and hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin intolerance and/or ineffectiveness in some people. That's the math that statisticians should be presenting to the public and leaders. God knows their models of the total mortality from the virus don't work and have been disparate from each other and what is actually occurring by an order of magnitude. This could be made policy tomorrow.

If capitalism is the be-all end-all of economic systems, why does capitalism need socialism to bail it out once a decade?

 

[A. Gorilla]

Bamboozled

 

[MichaelS]

, but generally distributing an unproven therapy is madness.

There is nothing unproven about the efficacy of cholorquine. That's why Australia has confirmed 20.000 courses ordered for doctors to use at their discretion here.
It has been used for SARS (COVID 19 is SARS 2) in 2003 and for Malaria for decades.

 

[chansen]

18/19
17/18
16/17
15/16
14/15
13/14
12/13
11/12

Anyone can look up the US flu deaths for the past seasons. I already have.

Just indulge me with some cohesive reasons as to why weren't sending home every 20 year old kid who works at Panera, closing outdoor playgrounds, parroting new memes like "social distancing", and turning into rats for the state.

Because the mortality rate for seasonal flu is 0.1%, and COVID-19 as of right now is 5% (though probably lower once all the asymptomatic people are identified and included in the stats). Because the flu presents symptoms faster than COVID-19, so it's identified and treated faster, slowing the rate of infection. Because there's a vaccine available for the flu. Because the hospitalization rate for flu is lower than COVID-19.

Smart science people say that we'd need 70% of the population to get infected with this corona virus to reach herd immunity - where enough people have had it and are immune to it - to stop the virus from spreading within the general populace. There are ~329 million people in the US, so we'd need 230 million to get COVID-19 to get there. If the mortality rate holds to 5%, that means 11,500,000 deaths. Even if we were able to keep COVID infections to 35.5 million (estimated illness caused by flu in 2019), and using the current 5% mortality rate, we'd lose 1,775,000 people in the US. Both of those are a LOT higher than 34,000 flu deaths in the US estimated in 2019.

Still think this isn't as bad as the flu?

 

[Maloghurst]

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You realize every graph and statistical meme you’ve posted were created by @Forsoothe!.

 

[Maloghurst]

Because the mortality rate for seasonal flu is 0.1%, and COVID-19 as of right now is 5% (though probably lower once all the asymptomatic people are identified and included in the stats). Because the flu presents symptoms faster than COVID-19, so it's identified and treated faster, slowing the rate of infection. Because there's a vaccine available for the flu. Because the hospitalization rate for flu is lower than COVID-19.

Smart science people say that we'd need 70% of the population to get infected with this corona virus to reach herd immunity - where enough people have had it and are immune to it - to stop the virus from spreading within the general populace. There are ~329 million people in the US, so we'd need 230 million to get COVID-19 to get there. If the mortality rate holds to 5%, that means 11,500,000 deaths. Even if we were able to keep COVID infections to 35.5 million (estimated illness caused by flu in 2019), and using the current 5% mortality rate, we'd lose 1,775,000 people in the US. Both of those are a LOT higher than 34,000 flu deaths in the US estimated in 2019.

Still think this isn't as bad as the flu?

Correct and what is the mortality rate for people with underlying health conditions? 20% roughly by my calculations.

 

[Forsoothe!]

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Do you mean to indicate that this year's pneumonia deaths are all inadvertently attributed to Wuhan? Or, that Wuhan only cascades into pneumonia in those individuals that are at pneumonia's door and only coincidentally infected by Wuhan? Or, some link I don't get?

 

[Forsoothe!]

Because the mortality rate for seasonal flu is 0.1%, and COVID-19 as of right now is 5% (though probably lower once all the asymptomatic people are identified and included in the stats). Because the flu presents symptoms faster than COVID-19, so it's identified and treated faster, slowing the rate of infection. Because there's a vaccine available for the flu. Because the hospitalization rate for flu is lower than COVID-19.

Smart science people say that we'd need 70% of the population to get infected with this corona virus to reach herd immunity - where enough people have had it and are immune to it - to stop the virus from spreading within the general populace. There are ~329 million people in the US, so we'd need 230 million to get COVID-19 to get there. If the mortality rate holds to 5%, that means 11,500,000 deaths. Even if we were able to keep COVID infections to 35.5 million (estimated illness caused by flu in 2019), and using the current 5% mortality rate, we'd lose 1,775,000 people in the US. Both of those are a LOT higher than 34,000 flu deaths in the US estimated in 2019.

Still think this isn't as bad as the flu?

Extrapolating anything with a range between postulated numbers as divergent as .01% and 5% is silly on its face. How many actual deaths in China, a quadrillion? How many bodies can even the Red Army hide? Please name the person who says this is not as bad as the flu or any other epidemic, and cite the post #.