Some Indoor Annealing
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just.wing.it
Deadwood Head
Wires_Guy_wires
Imperial Masterpiece
I'm wondering if the rapid cooling in water has effects on the hardening. I have only noticed differences between long annealing on the bbq compared to the blow torch and it makes a world of difference. I suck at blow torching, thats for sure. I'd make a terrible pyromaniac.
Cooling the copper down rapidly seems to induce shrinking, which could potentially harden the copper a bit more compared to slow cooling.
Cooling the copper down rapidly seems to induce shrinking, which could potentially harden the copper a bit more compared to slow cooling.
just.wing.it
Deadwood Head
I've done it like this before and it seems to work very well.
Wire is super soft, but hardens when bent.....I like it!
just.wing.it
Deadwood Head
Also, I do it twice sometimes, if it doesnt seem soft enough after the first go round.
Mike Westervelt
Shohin
I've been annealing wire for many years( scrounged from electrician friends on construction sites) always plunged into water with no problems, doing so releases the scale that occurs during annealing
Never tried the stove! wife may object, I've used a gas barbecue a few times but mostly build a small fire and toss the the coils directly on top, pull them out when they're glowing and then quench
Never tried the stove! wife may object, I've used a gas barbecue a few times but mostly build a small fire and toss the the coils directly on top, pull them out when they're glowing and then quench
River's Edge
Masterpiece
I prefer the barbecue, leave till glowing red and then set in bucket of water! works very well. Prefer to do my 14 gauge and 16 gauge for developmental use, because for developing trees in the nursery I go through so much of these sizes. Save the real good stuff for more refinement type wiring rather than basic movement in young stock.
leatherback
The Treedeemer
Wow.. Never would have guessed that would work !
just.wing.it
Deadwood Head
Bout to throw this roll of 8g on a pile of hot coals in my grill. Tightly bound with steel utility wire for more even heat transfer.
Probably gonna leave it over night to cool down slowly this time.
If it works, this is my new method.
Probably gonna leave it over night to cool down slowly this time.
If it works, this is my new method.
River's Edge
Masterpiece
It will heat more evenly if loosely bound, believe it or not!
Cooling it more slowly will result in more oxidation and fine black residue on the wire. This is because oxidation of copper occurs much more rapidly at warm temperatures. Longer period of time the wire is hot the more oxidation occurs.
The wire should reach proper annealing temperature throughout and then be cooled faster rather than slower!
For 8 gauge and a coil that size I would suggest you bring it up to 400 degrees celsius or 732 degrees F once at that temperature allow 20 to 30 minutes, then plunge the hot wire in cold water. Use a metal container for the cold water, the wire will burn through rubber or plastic before it cools all the way. Inexpensive choice for this is a galvanized pail or garbage can depending on your coil size.
The best gauge of timing is when the coil is glowing red throughout, so easier to spot if done at night or in a darkened area.
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just.wing.it
Deadwood Head
Hey thanks! Maybe I'll quench it then.
I figured that if the wire was too loose there would be hot spots that may get too hot. But I see your point, thanks!
Should be dark here soon.
BuckeyeOne
Chumono
Usually when I do it.
And it's happy hour!!
leatherback
The Treedeemer
when is it not happy hour? Seems like you are always happy.
How do you guys avoid the wire going brittle? I tried once, and the wire was unusable afterwards.
just.wing.it
Deadwood Head
I don't know....too hot I assume?
BuckeyeOne
Chumono
I anneal my wire in a lump coal smoker. I'll place one coil at a time and arrange the coal around and over the coil.
I usually just wait for a soft red glow, not a bright red. That's why I usually anneal after dark. Much easier to gauge the temp.
Immediately quench in cold water.
And a cold beverage helps!!
And oh by the way, I usually happy cus' I'm retired going on my second year and have more time for my trees!!
River's Edge
Masterpiece
The wire did not reach proper temperature throughout. Time at temperature varies due to thickness. Research shows that it takes a lot longer to anneal properly at lower temperatures. There is a great article on Brent Walstons website written by Marty Weiser!
Mike Westervelt
Shohin
Yes, too hot or too long not sure which.
The only time mine has come out brittle I'd built the fire too big and hot, couldn't get the wire out in a timely manner.
The wire was droopy when I quenched it, my conclusion and subsequent practice has been to pull it as soon as it glows red.
And incidentally, my brittle batch was indeed performed during a happy hour
River's Edge
Masterpiece
If the wire was droopy , you were reaching the melting point. Way too hot and too long. 300 degree Fahrenheit beyond the optimum annealing temperature!Yes, too hot or too long not sure which.
The only time mine has come out brittle I'd built the fire too big and hot, couldn't get the wire out in a timely manner.
The wire was droopy when I quenched it, my conclusion and subsequent practice has been to pull it as soon as it glows red.
And incidentally, my brittle batch was indeed performed during a happy hour
just.wing.it
Deadwood Head
Well....it turned out well!
just.wing.it
Deadwood Head
More success with some 14g and some 12g.
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