Styling/development help with Mr. Thuja

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Picked up this “little giant arborvitae”
Wanted to give thuja a shot.
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I’ve Reduced the root ball by about 25%. I combed out a little then put back in chopped pot with same soil. High bark content, very loose soil seemed healthy.
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I believe I’ve pruned/thinned out about 40% of the foliage.
extended long shoots pruned back.
But now what?!
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Any help/suggestions would b much appreciated!
 

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Picked up this “little giant arborvitae”
Wanted to give thuja a shot.
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I’ve Reduced the root ball by about 25%. I combed out a little then put back in chopped pot with same soil. High bark content, very loose soil seemed healthy.
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I believe I’ve pruned/thinned out about 40% of the foliage.
extended long shoots pruned back.
But now what?!
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Any help/suggestions would b much appreciated!
First, let the tree recover from the repot!
Second , a basic concept is that styling and developing a tree stems from the nebari and base. Follows up with the movement or line of the trunk to pick a possible front in the beginning.
Based on what is visible my first step after the tree recovers would be to examine the nebari and base to determine where to start!

One possible option would be to separate the rootball into two trees depending on the base flare !
I suspect it is highly unlikely you would use all the trunks available in one style as they exist, whereas there may be nice possibilities in either side.

Now someone will likely suggest you can do that now. That is dependant on your skill level and aftercare practises. Based on your presentation and initial description I would advise allowing recovery this season first. This also give you time to study suitable designs for this species and how they apply to this tree. If you are comfortable with your experience and training then that is a different matter.

PS: check that the wire you added is not too tight and cuts off the branches too quickly. If your desire is to hold the forks a bit closer together you might try using two small electrical ties instead of the wire. They work very well and are less likely to cause a problem if the tree responds with a growth spurt.
 

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First, let the tree recover from the repot!
Second , a basic concept is that styling and developing a tree stems from the nebari and base. Follows up with the movement or line of the trunk to pick a possible front in the beginning.
Based on what is visible my first step after the tree recovers would be to examine the nebari and base to determine where to start!

One possible option would be to separate the rootball into two trees depending on the base flare !
I suspect it is highly unlikely you would use all the trunks available in one style as they exist, whereas there may be nice possibilities in either side.

Now someone will likely suggest you can do that now. That is dependant on your skill level and aftercare practises. Based on your presentation and initial description I would advise allowing recovery this season first. This also give you time to study suitable designs for this species and how they apply to this tree. If you are comfortable with your experience and training then that is a different matter.

PS: check that the wire you added is not too tight and cuts off the branches too quickly. If your desire is to hold the forks a bit closer together you might try using two small electrical ties instead of the wire. They work very well and are less likely to cause a problem if the tree responds with a growth spurt.
Thank you so much.
I plan to definitely let it recover from here. I feel like I’ve done plenty for now. Still looks like a bush. But like you stated, there are many trunks in there. The wire is on there in hopes to mend splits between branches that occurred by transport or my negligence in pruning. I don’t know if they will fuse back together, but 🤞
thanks again.
 

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I have a few Thuja projects going, but all my projects are relatively new to me, 5 years or less. I definitely would let it recover.

If it were my tree, I would have made the switch to a bonsai potting media and a low wide training pot right away. When you make the shift to a bonsai soil, you will have to leave it recover a growing season, thus "loosing training time", it would have been best to make the shift right away, and then give it the growing season off to recover. File this thought for future reference, no changing things now.

Like their "cousins" the Hinoki, Thuja branches split away from their trunks fairly easily, especially in spring. In fact it is best to put off wiring to late summer or autumn, when the splitting is slightly, and I do mean only slightly less easy to tear off a branch from a trunk. Slight tearing will heal, if you tore half way through, it will likely always be weak and floppy. You might have to use something like grafting tape to bind the branch back to its trunk rather tightly to get it to heal.

One of the "natural" styles for Thuja is the "candelabra style". Use the search function of BNut, there are at least 2 threads, maybe more discussing this style. One is in reference to spruce, but much applies to Thuja. Also google images of old Thuja. Look for state record trees to see old thuja.

The other thing to consider are styles normally used for Hinoki. There are many similarities between Thuja and Hinoki, mainly the foliage appearance. Styling inspiration from one for the other is appropriate.

Not to hijack your thread, but offer inspiration, here are 2 of my projects and an image from David Crust.

First is a Thuja collected recently in northern MI, it looks very much like many of the old styled Hinoki, but with more deadwood. I have done zero styling work. I will prune it back some, later this summer. I picked this up less than a year ago.
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This one is a nursery Thuja it is 'Hetz's Dwarf' - it has somewhat "golden" foliage, and tends to stay wider than tall. I picked it up 4 years ago, only "styled" it once, and will do a second styling sometime this summer or maybe next year. This one I am more or less going with a candelabra style. First thumb is right after initial styling. Second thumb is summer 2019.
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This last image is a tree owned by David Crust, the image is owned by David Crust. This is a Thuja he calls 'Lucinda', the photo is from 2017.
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Just a update. A bit of wire to pull down some branches. A pinch of pruning.
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I think this multi trunk is going broom.
 

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I’m going to put my my more recent thuja project here as well. Hertz midget.
Came with the Shari. So far some lime sulfur and a little pruning. 068B0D92-255E-4A6F-89DE-8A22B1243E41.jpeg
Not sure on where to go with this one.
Suggestions very welcomed!
 

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I’m going to put my my more recent thuja project here as well. Hertz midget.
Came with the Shari. So far some lime sulfur and a little pruning. View attachment 326677
Not sure on where to go with this one.
Suggestions very welcomed!

Nice!!! I like it...

Lately I’ve just been basically sketching the lines that personally bring me joy. (At least when It comes to pictures)

Because I’m horrible with technology, they are quite crude..

But when examining this tree, my favorite lines/angle considered was/where;CABFE127-3AF5-4510-A1FD-F67209E8D0EF.jpeg
...These/this ones/one!

🤓

But I’m a noted nimrod.
 

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Got this one a month ago.
Pruned and played with it awhile.
I got to the point where I was like, “well, this is garbage!” I sat it down let it sit for a bit. After a big tilt in replanting - no roots removed- it looks a little better.
Huge ugly chop. Fun little tree. 😀790159A7-8E78-4C73-A3ED-79C4CA7B252E.jpeg5B7C61B3-AF95-460A-910D-DF9F823C4854.jpeg9F6BF42C-FAD3-4410-AEB0-9C29A1729369.jpegCC6F0ADF-8273-4059-A8DA-53AF97CA29AB.jpeg
Just letting it recover now. Suggestions?
 

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Recently took a vacation to door County Wisconsin. The abundance of “cedar” was a sight.A69E86CA-95A3-4F6E-BC06-066DC0119C0D.jpeg8FB048C3-DA9E-4C6D-A611-DACA4F13DB48.jpeg3E5D4C00-211C-409B-885E-B84C50710CBD.jpeg
Another thuja cheapo. Degroots spire.
maybe a little late for the drastic cut back, but we will see how it hangs.
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and a little photo update on the clump. 4BCD0ED6-A96E-433B-BD90-5616EF12D40E.jpeg
 

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Thuja # 2 has come a ways I think.
nice growth and color.
Big wounds as well. 53516991-3591-4D46-8443-FB7AEEFEE25D.jpegC0AE7E2E-BD5E-4F05-AEB7-3CAED5A65108.jpeg
 

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Update on thuja #2- hertz midget. Thinned out a little and just trying to get structure in place. Hope it fills out a bit next season! A1F9BB8C-7008-4D19-A88B-2AF94E49393A.jpeg
some shots of the natural Shari, and crazy roots! BC660548-8358-4D46-9BCD-026D24DC804B.jpeg42972BEB-7266-4648-93DB-708CAD9ACE5A.jpeg
 

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Little trees pictured here seriously need TRUNK development, nowhere near finish development stage🧐 .
 

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Little trees pictured here seriously need TRUNK development, nowhere near finish development stage🧐 .
Ok Next year, Ill plan on putting it in grow pot and leave alone.
When you say trunk development, are you just talking size? It seems pretty aged looking already I think with all its wounds.
 
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