suprising growth of my red chojubai

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I am suprised at how much my chojubai has grown this season.I just purchased it in like late winter and cut back hard to 2 nodes of previous season.All this season I kept removing flowers and it kept on growing.Every spring I am going to cut back to two nodes of previous season and slowly move into semi or full cascade shape.I am curious to see what another five years will do.I like the trunk base shape that is forming.I love when chojubai get a little more older and get that nice silver bark.The picture is spring ,then autumn of this year,then a close-up of the little trunk that is forming.
 

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Wow that's explosive growth. Whatever you're doing don't stop.
 
Wow! Nice growth. You're obviously making it happy. Care to share your secrets, other than the pruning? I've noticed that the top will grow slowly if the roots haven't filled the pot, and then when they do, the plant will take off.
 
nice to see another "fan" of chojubai. the pruning method is great to provide movement in the branches. at some stage with a single trunk, you'll find an effort by the tree to send more runners and shoots up from the earth. They must be immediately removed. most chojubai in japan are very old and in very shallow pots (maybe you've noticed.) this causes an effort to keep them happy as they love both sun and water.

I love my quince to be in kabudachi style (clump) this style starts with new growth being wired to give movement once hardened off, and then subsequent years to go to the clip and prune.

Thanks for posting!
 
Feel free to send a couple of spare cuttings my way! ;) lol

I keep hearing about these but havn't had the privilege of seeing one in person yet. The pictures of old bonsai look great though.
 
Wow! Nice growth. You're obviously making it happy. Care to share your secrets, other than the pruning? I've noticed that the top will grow slowly if the roots haven't filled the pot, and then when they do, the plant will take off.
Well as far as I can see,the plants love water during warm months.I also gave it full sun(5-7 hours).And I fed it Dyna-gro every watering dose.I also gave it water soluble 'Great White'(by Plant Success)every 2 weeks.Thanks!
 
Feel free to send a couple of spare cuttings my way! ;) lol

I keep hearing about these but havn't had the privilege of seeing one in person yet. The pictures of old bonsai look great though.
Thanks,I am pretty much hooked on red Chojubai.I just love the flowers that crowed the bare branches in late winter.It seems like the only viable way to get one,is grow one.I purchased two healthy cuttings in spring of this year.Even a few years of ramification on these plants,I find attractive.Especially when the bark silver's up.Thanks again.As far as cuttings,I could only find two places offering them this past spring.Evergreens and Meehans.
 
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nice to see another "fan" of chojubai. the pruning method is great to provide movement in the branches. at some stage with a single trunk, you'll find an effort by the tree to send more runners and shoots up from the earth. They must be immediately removed. most chojubai in japan are very old and in very shallow pots (maybe you've noticed.) this causes an effort to keep them happy as they love both sun and water.

I love my quince to be in kabudachi style (clump) this style starts with new growth being wired to give movement once hardened off, and then subsequent years to go to the clip and prune.

Thanks for posting!
Yup,I can see the first sucker growth popping up,I am definately going to remove it.Thanks!
 
I am suprised at how much my chojubai has grown this season.I just purchased it in like late winter and cut back hard to 2 nodes of previous season.All this season I kept removing flowers and it kept on growing.Every spring I am going to cut back to two nodes of previous season and slowly move into semi or full cascade shape.I am curious to see what another five years will do.I like the trunk base shape that is forming.I love when chojubai get a little more older and get that nice silver bark.The picture is spring ,then autumn of this year,then a close-up of the little trunk that is forming.

Cmeg1, I gotta agree, that's some great growth...and no wonder after reading your fert routine lol

Do you prune right before bud break? And have you found early spring repotting? Just curious your timing. Thanks!
 
Cmeg1, I gotta agree, that's some great growth...and no wonder after reading your fert routine lol

Do you prune right before bud break? And have you found early spring repotting? Just curious your timing. Thanks!
I cannot remember if I did it before or after flowering.The basic norm for me is to prune after flowering in spring.Since I am plucking off the flowers in favor of vegatative growth I do not wait that long into flowering to prune,but I do wait a bit till' when it is starting to grow.
As far as root pruning ,I have not did it yet on chojubai.My book states that it should be done in very early spring or right after flowering,but then it sais' in the temperate areas of Europe and North America it is best to do it in late fall.After flowering seems best to me,that is when it would coincide with removing a bit of top growth also.Thanks
 
just FYI....most chojubai do well being repotting in spring or fall. I don't see a benefit one time over another honestly.most japanese reference material suggests fall repot when protected housing is available. I do mine in the spring because I feel that a tree can be better 'read" when it begins to grow then when it is going dormant. please do not agressivly root prune as they will NOT be happy with that. I do mine, no more than about 10%.
 
Thanks Dick! I planted my seedling in the ground this spring and have seen some good growth. But plan on digging it up in early spring and replant in a better location, and get it on a tile this time as well as prune it. I think in 3-5 yrs, it should have a trunk lg. enough to make me happy and start it's in pot training. I love this plant too ;)
 
Impressive growth!

I hope you guys start propagating and planting your trimmings and offer them for sale for reasonable price so we can enjoy them too! :o ;)
 
I have always repoted my chojubai in "boon mix". equal parts of akadama,pumice and kiryu
(drainage rock). In conversations with a former sensei, he suggests I consider pummice and akadama equally mixed. they definetely appreciate moisture, so I will repot some in that mix this spring and see if i see any difference.
I had always gotten my starts from Bonsai NW in Seattle but they have sold their "mother" plants so it does look like I'll have to take cuttings from my trees this year. I have done it in the past just to learn and they are quite easy to start. it helps to have some warmth and a continually misting during the day when starting. I did an anderson pot full of them last year and only had maybe one or two that didn't make it. I started them in a mixture of small pummice and coconut fiber. I soaked the cuttings in liquid root hormone as opposed to dipping in powder. seems to work better. it was done in the spring from last year's hardened off growth
and many this fall blossumed.
My oranges and whites seem bullet proof it's the reds ( my favorites) that seem to throw me a curve once in awhile. The reds have very small leaves in comparison. Some of last year's red starts developed a yellow fukerin edge on the outside edge of the leaves. Will be interesting to see if the new growth this spring reverts back to solid green.
so big an interest in such a little tree :)
 
forgot to mention in my ramble that they really appreciate full sun but be carefull they don't dry out. I notice from constant scrutiny on pictures from japan that they are mostly featured in very shallow pots which seems odd to me knowing they love their moisture. I think for retired folks like myself or an owner of a full time nursery, you could get away with that but for working stiffs, I'd feel better to have a little deeper pot while one is away at work....
 
my red and white chojubai are dropping leaves in preparation for winter now. My new orange sports are still green and leaves are hanging on. This winter/spring as I repot am looking forward to putting them together with some really nice pots acquired this year. They were made by local artisans john and sharon muth and are dated 1977 and 78 adding a little age to the presentation.
 
Hello,Dick.Sounds like someone has been busy with quince.One of mine are flowering pretty good and I have it under clear poly-carb roof.I think I better remove the flowers so they will develop.That was great info with the cuttings thanks!
 
great thread, Nice Chojubai. Really vigorous. It won't take long to be 'show' worthy.

I don't think letting the flower buds develop and open drains all that much energy from a quince, you should let a few flowers open, just so you can be inspired to keep working with them each year. (I know I would need to see a few flowers, that's the way the plant pays rent around here;) ) Letting fruit develop is a big drain, but a few flowers are unlikely to slow a healthy plant at all.

I picked up 8 or so different quinces from Brent Walston at Evergreen. Just the 2.5 inch pot cuttings, cheap but fun, with the thought of using them as accents or shohin. I like my Chojubai White flower, its really nice, small leaves & good ramification, and it is nearly equal in vigor to yours.

Brent was out of Chojubai - Red. So I picked up 'Hime'. Nice Red-Orange flower. More red than orange. Hime is truely a small leaf, fine twigged wonder. Very dark bark too. I think time will tell, but Hime looks to me every bit as good as Chojubai, maybe even finer for small shohin, though I have not had it long enough to say what a mature one would look like.

And for the velvet red fully double flowers, you can't beat Iwai Nishiki. Growth habit is much larger than Chojubai, more like Toyo Nishiki, so it can be grown out to sizes larger than Shohin.

There are others, I picked up Brent's Contorted White, and really like the random zigs and zags this makes.

What is nice about all of these, they just go into trays, get set under the bench, mulched with leaves, a little snow shoveled over them if we get snow. And that is it. Fully hardy for a zone 5 winter. No need to baby them. For flowering quince; no endless "climate zone envy parade" into and or out of the unheated well house or the indoor light garden.

Iwai Nishiki

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