Teach me about "Hardening Off"

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I remember Al has written about building the top of Maples.

I tried to find this thread of @Smoke "Choppers, cutters and wishful thinking"
Perhaps, he would like to comment...

But not only Maples, he said : "On maples and a lot of deciduous trees in general, making short makes things big.... ....Maples in general if left to grow all season unchecked will double the next season if cut back near the trunk.... ....Always let the tree grow all season"
 
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Letting branches extend for a year before cutting back will create large scars. LRge scars take a lefv ong time to callous over. And often, that callous tissue is thick and creates a very “knobby” appearance.

The alternative is to let it extend for a month to 6 weeks, and then cut back. The scars that will result from this practice will be much smaller, and will likely callous over in a month or two. The transitions of taper will be much more gradual. Combine that with wiring the new shoots when they are perhaps 6 to 8 inches long, you can get nice subtle movement. With minimal scarring. Cutting back often (several times a growing season) keeps the internodes short. You get back buds and side branches at internodes, not between them. So if you want lots of future branching, create short internodes.
Field maple heal faster than trident maple here.
Letting branches extend for a year before cutting back will create large scars. LRge scars take a lefv ong time to callous over. And often, that callous tissue is thick and creates a very “knobby” appearance.

The alternative is to let it extend for a month to 6 weeks, and then cut back. The scars that will result from this practice will be much smaller, and will likely callous over in a month or two. The transitions of taper will be much more gradual. Combine that with wiring the new shoots when they are perhaps 6 to 8 inches long, you can get nice subtle movement. With minimal scarring. Cutting back often (several times a growing season) keeps the internodes short. You get back buds and side branches at internodes, not between them. So if you want lots of future branching, create short internodes.

In an ideal world yes this is all good. However, it quadruples my time to completion. I've already spent 20 odd years growing the trunk & getting a plate nebari. I'd like to enjoy the fruits of my labor a few years before I have to pass the tree on to its next owner. I've grown the last of my super thick trunks now. I love the process of growing my trees from scratch - the vast majority from stuff I've propagated myself or smell raw stock like Stewartia from niche specialist nurseries.
 
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Hardening off is unnatural...

Lignification is natural.

A seed planted outside doesn't need to "harden off".

It jumps right to lignification.

The difference .....humans....

That is it!

Thanks!

You're Welcome!

Sorce
 

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Hardening off is unnatural.
But the bonsai Mirai free videos say to wait until the leaves harden off.
I read that in Gustavo post. No,I didn't watch one.
So is Ryan now wrong?
 

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But the bonsai Mirai free videos say to wait until the leaves harden off.
I read that in Gustavo post. No,I didn't watch one.
So is Ryan now wrong?
Sorce is referring to the traditional Terminology of Hardening Off, to acclimate a plant from indoors to outdoors.

Ryan, myself, and so many others use that same terminology to describe the establishment of the cuticle on a new leaf.

How many times do I have to describe this??

On a Taxus, the new leaf is tender, fleshy, light green....
When the leaf forms it's cuticle, it becomes dark green, harder, sharper and easier to snap.

The branch that the leaf is on will remain green until the next year!
Then the branch goes woody, lignifies.
 

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Humans.

The Plague that is Humans.

That is the only thing that is wrong!

Severely out of balance.

Good Day!?

Sorce
 

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Please explain this process to me.

Please explain why you do it and its benefits.

Please use pictures to explain your process and its method.

I am most eager to see why I been doing it wrong and how I can improve on what I already have.

I’ve mentioned “hardening off” before. When I’ve discussed it, I’m referring to the process of lignification - new growth is very soft and pliable. It’s easily damaged when you work on it. As the growth matures, lignin is deposited on the cell walls. Visually, both the leaf and the stem will change color. Here in Houston, that usually takes about 4-6 weeks after the shoots appear. Here’s an example on a water elm.

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The new leaves are reddish green when they first appear, then turn pale green. When they’re hardened off, they turn dark green. The new stems are reddish in color and furry. They darken to a reddish brown and develop spots as the bark begins to mature.

As the new growth continues to mature, mature bark will develop and the branch will get very brittle. If I attempt to wire the soft growth too soon, it simply dies - I’m certain that if I attempted to wire the shoots in the picture above, they would just blacken and die. I think it’s because the lignin protects the vascular tissue and, without it, the vascular tissue of the new shoots is easily damaged. If I wait too long (until the dormant season, for example), development of the woody tissue is complete and the branch becomes hard and brittle. It’s difficult to add much movement without breaking the branch. Also, it’s inefficient. If you wait until the dormant season to wire, you can only wire your tree once per year. If you do it during the season, you can wire the new growth multiple times.

So for me, this is an important concept for trees IN DEVELOPMENT when I’m trying to build basic branch structure. I let the growth extend until it’s hardened off, then I wire and prune. For me, hardening off is a useful concept to describe the earliest point in the lignification process when the new growth is safe to wire. In response, a new flush of growth will emerge and when it hardens off I can work it again. Depending on the species, I can usually work a tree 3 times or so during the growing season. IN REFINEMENT, things are different and the concept of hardening off is less useful to explain techniques like pinching and partial outer canopy defoliation. I tend to focus on development techniques because A) that’s the stage in which most of my trees are in, so learning these techniques is important to me, B) that’s the stage that nearly every broadleaf tree I see posted on this forum is in, so I think that’s what’s useful for other people to hear, C) refinement techniques are widely available, but there’s almost nothing written about development techniques.

Anyway, that’s my 2 cents. How do you decide when the spring shoots are strong enough to wire?

S
 
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I’ve mentioned “hardening off” before. When I’ve discussed it, I’m referring to the process of lignification - new growth is very soft and pliable. It’s easily damaged when you work on it. As the growth matures, lignin is deposited on the cell walls. Visually, both the leaf and the stem will change color. Here in Houston, that usually takes about 4-6 weeks after the shoots appear. Here’s an example on a water elm.

View attachment 193076

The new leaves are reddish green when they first appear, then turn pale green. When they’re hardened off, they turn dark green. The new stems are reddish in color and furry. They darken to a reddish brown and develop spots as the bark begins to mature.

As the new growth continues to mature, mature bark will develop and the branch will get very brittle. If I attempt to wire the soft growth too soon, it simply dies - I’m certain that if I attempted to wire the shoots in the picture above, they would just blacken and die. I think it’s because the lignin protects the vascular tissue and, without it, the vascular tissue of the new shoots is easily damaged. If I wait too long (until the dormant season, for example), development of the woody tissue is complete and the branch becomes hard and brittle. It’s difficult to add much movement without breaking the branch. Also, it’s inefficient. If you wait until the dormant season to wire, you can only wire your tree once per year. If you do it during the season, you can wire the new growth multiple times.

So for me, this is an important concept for trees IN DEVELOPMENT when I’m trying to build basic branch structure. I let the growth extend until it’s hardened off, then I wire and prune. For me, hardening off is a useful concept to describe the earliest point in the lignification process when the new growth is safe to wire. In response, a new flush of growth will emerge and when it hardens off I can work it again. Depending on the species, I can usually work a tree 3 times or so during the growing season. IN REFINEMENT, things are different and the concept of hardening off is less useful to explain techniques like pinching and partial outer canopy defoliation. I tend to focus on development techniques because A) that’s the stage in which most of my trees are in, so learning these techniques is important to me, B) that’s the stage that nearly every broadleaf tree I see posted on this forum is in, so I think that’s what’s useful for other people to hear, C) refinement techniques are widely available, but there’s almost nothing written about development techniques.

Anyway, that’s my 2 cents. How do you decide when the spring shoots are strong enough to wire?

S

One of the best descriptions/explanations I've seen so far. Thanks for sharing.

Ultimately people need to be figuring out this stuff for themselves to a large degree. Use descriptions like this (or what Ryan or whoever your chosen "reference" says) as a starting point and see how the trees in your collection respond.

One thing I'll say regarding Ryan Neil...be careful trying to extrapolate his recommendations for deciduous trees to your own collection, as he readily admits he doesn't have nearly the same level of experience with deciduous as he does with conifers. He said as much during a recent Q&A when I asked if he ever plans to offer a course on deciduous trees. Same for American natives like bald cypress, he doesn't have as much experience with those as some members of this forum do. But his recommendations can serve as a reasonable starting point.
 

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One of the best descriptions/explanations I've seen so far. Thanks for sharing.

Ultimately people need to be figuring out this stuff for themselves to a large degree. Use descriptions like this (or what Ryan or whoever your chosen "reference" says) as a starting point and see how the trees in your collection respond.

One thing I'll say regarding Ryan Neil...be careful trying to extrapolate his recommendations for deciduous trees to your own collection, as he readily admits he doesn't have nearly the same level of experience with deciduous as he does with conifers. He said as much during a recent Q&A when I asked if he ever plans to offer a course on deciduous trees. Same for American natives like bald cypress, he doesn't have as much experience with those as some members of this forum do. But his recommendations can serve as a reasonable starting point.
Welcome back!
I would never do that.
I concur.
 

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Guess this whole discussion fits in with the "Do not wire plants in the growing season" argument. The more you wait, the longer it takes. The more you work the tree, the faster it goes. Untill you reach a tipping point where the tree gets too weak to respond to the continued work. So you need to know where the balance lays between pushing the tree and keeping them healthy. The more eperience one has, the better they can judge that balance.

I think most people are pushing their trees too little.

Amen
 

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I'm a complete newbie when it comes to bonsai so I'm trying to learn as much as possible from many different sources, but its things like this "harden off" that make it difficult to comprehend or confusing at times.

For example I'm currently building a small japansee maple and thickening the trunk by letting it grow freely.
Some of the branches have been growing and extending while others have stopped. The long ones have about 14 internodes now and are still extending.
So some have "hardened off" while others haven't? Yet when I look at one of the branches: the part closest to the trunk feels woody/lignified, while the other end is soft and wobbly.
So these haven't "hardend off" yet?

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However like Al points out I have not waited for the "hardening off" on my Elms/crabapple/Privet and pruned them twice already since April.
So far I haven't see any issue's doing this except for a lot of new growth all over the place.

I'm new at this. Reading, learning, trying, experimenting is what I will do, but I think it's normal to be afraid to push the limits of (newly acquired )trees.
Seems to me that's something you learn by doing and experiencing first hand.
Trees need time to grow, but so do humans.
 

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I'm a complete newbie when it comes to bonsai so I'm trying to learn as much as possible from many different sources, but its things like this "harden off" that make it difficult to comprehend or confusing at times.

For example I'm currently building a small japansee maple and thickening the trunk by letting it grow freely.
Some of the branches have been growing and extending while others have stopped. The long ones have about 14 internodes now and are still extending.
So some have "hardened off" while others haven't? Yet when I look at one of the branches: the part closest to the trunk feels woody/lignified, while the other end is soft and wobbly.
So these haven't "hardend off" yet?

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However like Al points out I have not waited for the "hardening off" on my Elms/crabapple/Privet and pruned them twice already since April.
So far I haven't see any issue's doing this except for a lot of new growth all over the place.

I'm new at this. Reading, learning, trying, experimenting is what I will do, but I think it's normal to be afraid to push the limits of (newly acquired )trees.
Seems to me that's something you learn by doing and experiencing first hand.
Trees need time to grow, but so do humans.

As I pointed out above, “hardened off” to me is a term that means the spring shoots are sufficiently lignified to safely wire without risking damage to the new growth. For the manner in which I work on broadleaf hardwoods, it’s a concept that is very relevant to the branch development stage where I’m building primary, secondary and tertiary branches. It describes the point in time when the angle the new branches exit the trunk (or parent branch) and the shape of the branch may be safely adjusted before the shoots are too lignified to manipulate. In that context - yes, you can safely wire the shoots on your Japanese Maple without damaging them and position them into the shape you’d like your branches to assume. In fact, you might be a bit late.

But I ask you - what are you hoping to accomplish with your trees? Although it’s hard to see the trunk if there is one, the Japanese Maple you shared looks like it might be in the trunk development stage. If that’s the case, you’re way too premature to be worried about building branches and wiring spring shoots, but “hardening off” may be a useful concept for you to describe when it’s safe to wire the shoot you’re going to use to establish your trunk line. Growth on the rest of the shoots is not relevant and should be held in check to focus growth onto the leader you’re going to use to build your trunk. All but the leader can be pruned any time as your goal with that is to weaken the irrelevant growth. The leader should never be pruned, hardened off or not, until you get the trunk thickness you’re looking for.

Scott
 
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the part closest to the trunk feels woody/lignified, while the other end is soft and wobbly.

yes, you can safely wire the shoots on your Japanese Maple without damaging them and position them into the shape you’d like your branches to assume.

Just don’t wire out to the tips where the growth hasn’t hardened to the point where it may be safely wired. The soft growth is easily damaged.

S
 
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