It is a good thing to recognize and be acquainted with these classic styles and forms but it is better to acquaint yourself with photos of world class Yamadori bonsai designed by masters because this tree falls into that category, or it appears to. Very often Yamidori trees do not follow the traditional rules by the numbers. They seem to march to their own drummers and tend to make the rules rather than follow them. However they still have many of the basic traits that make a bonsai a bonsai.
Yes; but still, I don't wish to be accused of opening Pandora's box. If you examine American Yamidori trees they still have many of the refinements and traits that make and refine classic bonsai forms. You still have approved and disapproved branch placement, specifically bar branches, branches at the inside of curves and all of the other basic things that tend to scream out at you for violating. The formation of foliage pads, the use of triangles etc, these are the basic elements of the internal combustion engine of the bonsai art that seldom change enough to cause the community to rethink their sensibilities.This is (insert proper adjective) to me.
I completely agree.
It is odd though, because of the contradiction, which is.....
Those same principles, the old styles, weren't they made mostly of Yamadori?
If anything, I think this is a good definition. ......of defining. .....
Using our Yamadori!
That is almost exactly what I was thinking! (With a side of, "I hope he knows what I am Talking about!")Yes; but still, I don't wish to be accused of opening Pandora's box
Wow, excellent rendering, thank you, Very good feedback, agree, branch needs to move right!Hey Chris Welcome to Crazy.
In the first pic, it is seemingly pushed to the back left.
I see something in, pulling it like a throttle, to the front right.
What is foilage to the left now, would be on top.
I would bring it down.
This picture is essentially (upside down?)
Inside out? Just 2d?
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I think the Jin looks wicked from here.
You'll still see the Shari a bit.
But still get to enjoy that bark on the backside!
Great material! Thanks!
Thanks Adair. Yes, any repotting completed will be done in the early spring. However, I may wait an additional year as this tree was repotted this past springAh! It's in a square pot! It looks looks likes a rectangle in the photo.
You have soil filled to the brim. And a little over! How deep did you pot it?
Don't repot now. Wait until spring. You could go ahead and brush away about 1/4 to 1/2 inch of soil. When you pot, you want the soil level, and be about 1/4 inch under the inside rim. That way water won't run off when you water.
The tree should be set at a height so that the nebari is "just visible" when you look at the tree with your eyes level with the rim of the pot.
Excellent advise Vance! Seriously, I appreciate all the detail and thought that went into your comments and recommendations, much appreciated!Here is what I do when I encounter a piece of "Raw Stock", even if it is collected, ----- especially if it is collected. Up front you know that the trunk is magnificent, the bark is good and it is probably fifty years old, or more. Much in the shape of the trunk is not going to be easily or safely changed, so you are stuck with the trunk the way it is. I try to examine the trunk from every angle possible even as viewed from underneath and don't even consider the branches at this point. I take note of the good points and the best points of the trunk from assorted views.
Once there I try to determine what kind of shape will accentuate the beauty of the trunk and where the triangle will be place to best advantage. Like it or not, if you examine every good bonsai you can find, 99% of them are an example of a gorgeous trunk even with tons of deadwood and a couple of foliage triangles placed strategically around the trunk that sets the trunk off and frames it with a story. I realize that is a simplistic view of things but it is none the less true; -- most of the time with conifers.
You will need to see and understand the branching you have and it's flexibility. You will need to know where you can move it, how many you have and how to fulfill the image you have in your mind. It can be a daunting prospect especially if you are new to this. But, you really do need to understand your trees in this way before you start hauling out your books of recognized shapes and forms. Shapes and forms you like and understand to see if you can force this tree to be one of them.
This is a mistake that usually makes for a bad design that will vex you years down the road. You need to establish some sort of relationship with your own tree and realize; if it is every going to be a first rate bonsai it needs to have an identity of it's own, not an identity that it has been forced upon it from some other tree. I keep telling people to not sit around and contemplate; "I think this tree will make a good cascade, or formal upright, or the ubiquitous wind swept (that almost never works) and the informal upright." It is a good thing to recognize and be acquainted with these classic styles and forms but it is better to acquaint yourself with photos of world class Yamadori bonsai designed by masters because this tree falls into that category, or it appears to. Very often Yamidori trees do not follow the traditional rules by the numbers. They seem to march to their own drummers and tend to make the rules rather than follow them. However they still have many of the basic traits that make a bonsai a bonsai.
I meant the whole trunk!Wow, excellent rendering, thank you, Very good feedback, agree, branch needs to move right!
This is what I'm thinking, like we are almost looking at the bottom in pic One.possible even as viewed from underneath
Haha, well said! Yes, I believe I know what you are talking about. Well at least I think I do. I'm def not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I have a couple years of experience learning from lots of dumb mistakes. Definitely know I'm still a Rookie, have lot to learn. Trying to have a 'growth mindset' while taking a long-term approach to cultivating my trees even though maintaining such patience can be damn hard at times!That is almost exactly what I was thinking! (With a side of, "I hope he knows what I am Talking about!")
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