Trident Maple from Schley's Bonsai

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First off, hats off to Jason. He's busy as he can be preparing for his grand opening next weekend, but still found the time to talk back and forth with me and get pictures and videos of his stock.


The tree arrived safe and secure. I noticed the sun waning, so I took a couple quick pictures. The last one has an energy drink for scale. The plan is to let it adjust this year and then assess this fall. I'm thinking that a chop at about half the current height will be in its future.
 

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There's enough trunk there for a big party!

Why would you want to chop this great trunk?
 
You know, I've heard that a few times before..



edit: I was thinking of shortening the finished image, but I hadn't put much thought into it yet. As it stands right now the trunk is around 28-30". But that was just a thought; it just arrived this afternoon and I haven't sat and looked at it for long.
 
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yeah, no chop! You need to grow out the next trunk segment. This one will be a stonker!

This is why I make threads for almost all of my trees. :)

By the way, the base looks awesome from that last picture...that'd be my front for sure.

I agree with you. I wanted someone to post an opinion before I posted mine. The only problem is that the cut faces that side. Jason had the other side picked as his front but I thought the nebari was much more impressive and three-dimensional from this side.
 
Very nice! I think the second pic shows the tree the best and the direction it was heading. I'd continue developing the tree as is. You can fix the nebari on that side. I definitely would not chop it again, the first chop has not even healed over yet. It's going to be very impressive! Thanks for sharing, Rick
 
I agree with you. I wanted someone to post an opinion before I posted mine. The only problem is that the cut faces that side. Jason had the other side picked as his front but I thought the nebari was much more impressive and three-dimensional from this side.

Pick the new leader, wire into place and let her grow. Next spring, carve the top back to your new leader.
 
Pick the new leader, wire into place and let her grow. Next spring, carve the top back to your new leader.

Wow, it will be ready to carve back to the new leader next spring ? I would never have thought that !

ed
 
Gabons, that is an amazing trunk on that. It looks like it will be a beauty in time. Now might be the time to think about applying for the 2nd mortgage on your home, so you will be able to buy the pot for it. :p

ed
 
Awesome tree. :)

1st or 3rd pic is the definite front for me.

Being a chopper...I will chop down to the 2/3 trunk height or the branch 2nd branch up from the bottom. I think it will create the stronger tree eventually and can hide the chop mark at the back. JMHO.
 
Pick the new leader, wire into place and let her grow. Next spring, carve the top back to your new leader.
D'oh! Thanks, sometimes I just don't use my head.
Gabons, that is an amazing trunk on that. It looks like it will be a beauty in time. Now might be the time to think about applying for the 2nd mortgage on your home, so you will be able to buy the pot for it. :p

ed
Most definitely! I haven't started looking yet, and I'm not looking forward to it :p
Awesome tree. :)

1st or 3rd pic is the definite front for me.

Being a chopper...I will chop down to the 2/3 trunk height or the branch 2nd branch up from the bottom. I think it will create the stronger tree eventually and can hide the chop mark at the back. JMHO.
This is what my initial idea was, as the upper few inches doesn't have much taper. However, I did want a monster and it is just that as it stands. I'll probably submit to the eye of the more accomplished artists on this one. I believe*that the trunk is impressive enough that it could stay as is and still make a strong statement.
 
Jason, is a really awesome guy, he use to post here quite often, I think he has been really busy
lately and hopefully he will return again. Like your tree. I have never been able to make it to his
place, which is sad cause he is only a couple of hours away. I will get a chance next week for his
open house, will be a vendor on Saturday at it... looking forward to it and checking out his material !!!
Good luck with your tree, I think you did well.
 
I’m not trying to buck the overwhelming consensus here but since I’m pretty new to bonsai I would like to ask a question in the hopes of learning something. I agree the tree is awesome, no doubt about it. However, it appears to have an hourglass shape to it. I’ve read in other posts that an hourglass shape is not a desired trait in bonsai. Does that not apply to Tridents? Again, this is just my uneducated observation.
 
Since you just got the tree, I would wait with it and study it for a while before chopping. If you do want a more compact tree, I can see ultimately chopping back about a third of the way to those branches in the middle left in your third picture - but, you're looking at a lot of time to smooth out the transition of the trunk to the new leader at that chop.
 
Jason, is a really awesome guy, he use to post here quite often, I think he has been really busy
lately and hopefully he will return again. Like your tree. I have never been able to make it to his
place, which is sad cause he is only a couple of hours away. I will get a chance next week for his
open house, will be a vendor on Saturday at it... looking forward to it and checking out his material !!!
Good luck with your tree, I think you did well.

Drink a beer for me while you're there! I have other obligations or I would be coming to visit as well. Yes, he's been working just about around the clock lately. It's fun watching his facebook page as he updates on the nursery almost daily.

Thanks, I looked long and hard before I made this buy.

I’m not trying to buck the overwhelming consensus here but since I’m pretty new to bonsai I would like to ask a question in the hopes of learning something. I agree the tree is awesome, no doubt about it. However, it appears to have an hourglass shape to it. I’ve read in other posts that an hourglass shape is not a desired trait in bonsai. Does that not apply to Tridents? Again, this is just my uneducated observation.
Are you talking about reverse taper possibly? I don't see the hourglass figure you are talking about. You also have to keep in mind that this is the trunk only with no branching or even a leader.
Since you just got the tree, I would wait with it and study it for a while before chopping. If you do want a more compact tree, I can see ultimately chopping back about a third of the way to those branches in the middle left in your third picture - but, you're looking at a lot of time to smooth out the transition of the trunk to the new leader at that chop.

I think that no matter if there is more chopping done or not, it will be a very long time before the wound is closed, if it ever is. The trunk is 3 1/2-4" up top where the chop is. As far as waiting, that's a given. It's a must to have a vision going forward before you take action.
 
This will be a fine tree, and I think that you will want to make it a large tree as the base just screams massiveness. So I vote for no chop as well....
Thanks for sharing pics!
 
First off, hats off to Jason. He's busy as he can be preparing for his grand opening next weekend, but still found the time to talk back and forth with me and get pictures and videos of his stock.


The tree arrived safe and secure. I noticed the sun waning, so I took a couple quick pictures. The last one has an energy drink for scale. The plan is to let it adjust this year and then assess this fall. I'm thinking that a chop at about half the current height will be in its future.

Personally when cutting a trunk I would have to consider a couple of things...
First of all for me bonsai is all about getting the the tightest most compact tree as possible.
Which gives the tree an even bigger, and stronger appearance.
So, with this in mind... the first thing that should always be the deciding factor with larger material
Would be how small of a pot the tree through stages will eventually be able to end up in.
No reason chopping a tree down and trying to make a very small tree, that can only fit in a
Gigantic pot... this would be counterproductive, the pot would then make your tree look very
Small. Now, I am pretty sure of where this material originated before Jason, and the guy that
Had it had field grown it... but in my opinion lacks the discipline of proper maintenance, so the
Roots might need some work. Jason is good, and I don't know what he has done.
Having said this, you shouldn't have a problem getting this down to a small pot in time.

Next I would consider the size you are thinking you want to end up with. For me I see alot of
Major branching up high, which is obviously where all the energy is... would this be where you
Would want to begin your first branching? For me, this would be to high. There is to much trunk
That is instantly seen and unless your tree will eventually end up being more than twice the size
That it is currently at, it is not compact enough.

So, then for me then the ultimate discussion of where to begin on this tree would be instead
To concentrate on branches lower down, building this tree from the ground up, and not concerning
Oneself of what the height should be. I would work these first letting them grow wild until the desired
Thickness is achieved, and then once this is done, move on tho the next ones higher up. I feel
This would be the fastest, most efficient way of building this tree.

Now to do this, I would suggest totally removing all the branches above and not putting up a leader
At all... by putting up a leader or allowing these heavier branches to remain, you are centralizing the
Trees energy to this point. Which would be fine if one was trying to grow out your trunk, and trying to
Thicken it. But, I your trunk is already there.

Now, for me... what is going to determine whether I would chop or not, would be how the tree then
Responds to this. Some material will easily revert it's energy and start building up
These lower branches, others will not. Now, obviously some new growth is going to pop up around the top.
This will have to be let grown some, but should be somewhat kept in check. However, if one
Is having to work it all the time, you will only end up weakening the tree, in order to try and
Alter its energy. So, at this point, I would personally consider consider chopping the trunk. Which will
Then inevitably force the energy down lower.

I would listen to the tree and let it tell me what it needs,and work with this, rather than against.
From personal experience... when I came to terms with this I found I ultimately achieve what I had set
Out to do, and in half the time. I think making a definitive decision, that can't ultimately be changed, on
A stump that is years and years away from a finished tree is just something that one at this stage in
The game, should not even be a consideration. Just my nickel, two pennies, and a half dollar...
 
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