Ugly tree thread: Ondae corkbark JBP

[Brian Van Fleet]

As requested, here is my ugly Ondae corker JBP. I'll show different possible fronts on separate posts to avoid confusion. Here is the present front (View1), along with some bark closeups. The second section of trunk actually pitches forward, and is just about over the front-left corner of the pot.

 

[Brian Van Fleet]

View 2

Tilting it up on the right, pitching it to the left makes some sense of the current movement and branch structure:

 

[Brian Van Fleet]

View 3

Tilting it up at the front-left corner makes it more upright, but also places the primary branch to the back, and takes out some movement and taper.

 

[Brian Van Fleet]

View 4

Could tilt it even further left, nearly into a semi-cascade:

 

[Brian Van Fleet]

View 5

Tilting it the same way as view 2, but changing the front by about 180 degrees...interesting but not the best base:

 

[Poink88]

Brian,

First it is definitely not ugly.

That out, I like a semi-cascade (more tilt than #4) or #5. Opinion is based only on the pics.

 

[Brian Van Fleet]

Earlier this spring I attempted 2 cleft grafts onto the second section of trunk; both failed. I still have hopes for the approach graft on the primary branch, and maybe I can attempt another approach graft in the trunk...barring that,

...what would you do?

 

[mcpesq817]

3 could be interesting if you can pull the top branches down and the bottom branch around.

I hate suggesting this, but have you thought about cutting off the long straight portion of the trunk and working with the bottom branch for a smaller tree? You could get a very nice powerful tree that will accent the powerful base (and not have to worry about the long straight second half of the trunk). *ducking for cover*

 

[Poink88]

I hate suggesting this, but have you thought about cutting off the long straight portion of the trunk and working with the bottom branch for a smaller tree? You could get a very nice powerful tree that will accent the powerful base (and not have to worry about the long straight second half of the trunk). *ducking for cover*

I believe that was suggested before...

 

[Poink88]

Earlier this spring I attempted 2 cleft grafts onto the second section of trunk; both failed. I still have hopes for the approach graft on the primary branch, and maybe I can attempt another approach graft in the trunk...barring that,

...what would you do?

Try a couple of approach grafts...if it fails (doubtful), I'll remove the top straight branch (as suggested before and by Mike above).

 

[mcpesq817]

I believe that was suggested before...

Now that you mention it, I think I had suggested this a while back on a cork bark JBP - not sure if it was the same tree as this one

 

[Brian Van Fleet]

Now that you mention it, I think I had suggested this a while back on a cork bark JBP - not sure if it was the same tree as this one

Yep, same tree, new thread. I'd prefer to keep as much of it as possible; chopping it down to the first bend is truly the last resort...although it does have 2 branches at that first bend, so it would be possible to have a first branch and new apex.

 

[plant_dr]

Yep, that thing is hideous! Send it to me and I will get rid of it for you!

 

[october]

Hi Brian.. So my reply with a plan in your ezo spruce thread regarding this tree is not do able?

Rob

 

[Brian Van Fleet]

It is doable, but instead of taking that "front" branch you suggested moving up with a clockwise motion, it would have to go counter-clockwise with a bit of a twist, if that makes sense.

 

[october]

It is doable, but instead of taking that "front" branch you suggested moving up with a clockwise motion, it would have to go counter-clockwise with a bit of a twist, if that makes sense.

Yes, I understand what you mean. If it is possible, seems you would probably have a nice shohin with a very nice base. Of course, it would take like 4-5 years to structure it. However, since the tree would be so small, it would not take much effort to get it to fill in.

**edit** I just looked again and it would be too big for a shohin, still a nice Chuhin, maybe...

Rob

 

[Dan W.]

It is doable, but instead of taking that "front" branch you suggested moving up with a clockwise motion, it would have to go counter-clockwise with a bit of a twist, if that makes sense.

Careful with that twisting Brian...

 

[Vance Wood]

Did you ever think of air layering off the top half of the tree with the long straight trunk and utilizing the low portion?

 

[Brian Van Fleet]

Did you ever think of air layering off the top half of the tree with the long straight trunk and utilizing the low portion?

Yeah, but I'm not fond enough of the cultivar to bother. If I go with the lower part as the tree, it's a chop.

 

[Jason]

If you can't bend or graft branches to the upper section then I would chop it. A semi cascade could work but it would still need a comb-over. It could be an impressive shohin.