Ulmus Pole to Dos.
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sorce
Nonsense Rascal
May 17.
Aug 4th 17
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Aug 4th 17
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sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Can't believe this has spent half it's life in a time capsule!
Sept. 12th.
Couple days ago.
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Sept. 12th.
Couple days ago.
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sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Put it back in the time capsule!
Sorce
barrosinc
Masterpiece
Looking good
queenofsheba52
Chumono
Amazing!
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
From November 9th.
Just a little video of breaking off old stubs.
Nice and Easy, so easy, I near finished it before shooting the video. Great time to pop these old stubs. Leaves a good finish.
Sorce
Just a little video of breaking off old stubs.
Nice and Easy, so easy, I near finished it before shooting the video. Great time to pop these old stubs. Leaves a good finish.
Sorce
Woocash
Omono
Nought wrong with sticks if sticks turn to stock. Looking good!
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Ret fer growin.
Seems we ain't getting no more freeze neither!
F right!
Sorce
Seems we ain't getting no more freeze neither!
F right!
Sorce
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
POCD for that Hedger from Tennessee!
I was going to cut back again, but I didn't want the outcome, still putting some girth.
This is about to get repotted after the solstice too.
Since that will entail a heavy cutback, and very likely, a complete defoliation, I "partial outer canopy defoiled" to strengthen the interior for that.
Just the end of May, this growth has been quite exceptional as well.
That low branch was one I tucked under something to the right for direction, Pulled back out to allow free Growth again, and the direction has been achieved. Fuck wire! All that, wiring an entire Deciduous branch, just to move a half inch of it, and cut it all off later, waste of effort and resources.
Sorce
I was going to cut back again, but I didn't want the outcome, still putting some girth.
This is about to get repotted after the solstice too.
Since that will entail a heavy cutback, and very likely, a complete defoliation, I "partial outer canopy defoiled" to strengthen the interior for that.
Just the end of May, this growth has been quite exceptional as well.
That low branch was one I tucked under something to the right for direction, Pulled back out to allow free Growth again, and the direction has been achieved. Fuck wire! All that, wiring an entire Deciduous branch, just to move a half inch of it, and cut it all off later, waste of effort and resources.
Sorce
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
The 3 different addresses I've had since I found it!
I really don't believe in ground growing anyway, if you look at all the aspects of it, reasons to do it, and outcomes, it's ..... it's......dumb as hell!
Sorce
Lol, fair enough, I know better than to pick a debate with The Sorce. I have a chinese elm that has changed dramatically from a tree I care little about, to a monster with promise, whilst growing in the ground in 2 years.
You've in fact seen it! My first tree post I ever posted on this forum, pretty sure we spoke in it, and I airlayered my mallsai CE. Its top half is a monster now.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
A reasonable debate with a gentleman is always welcome!
It's arguments with narciccists that spoil the learning!
If a person has One tree they Must grow out fast (why would they?, this limit is only set by our brains) go for it!
But what I see as more likely, is someone basically putting all their eggs in that basket, passing up years of opportunities to obtain (free) better material, because they are waiting for that one. It's a sentimental mistake. Then they come back to it, it has fucked up roots a bunch of shitty chops that lead to no good taper etc.etc...
When it is true that most trees get culled from ground growing, it is foolish to think one will end up any good. A big trunk? Sure. But that is useless without the whole package. Folks still pay no regard to the whole package.
For growing trunks, ground growing is superior, but because of the "throw it in the ground" mentality, of dick swinging assholes, who wanted to talk shit like they know better, we pay no attention to anything else, which has resulted in a bunch of subpar trees.
More...
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
The same fucks talking about "patience", also had none.
Those, are the same dick swinging morons that folks cry about not being here anymore.
Fuck em!
Sorce
Those, are the same dick swinging morons that folks cry about not being here anymore.
Fuck em!
Sorce
Lol damn dude, you got some passion for this particular debate. Im going to guess you've had a heated debate in the past about this very same thing?
You seem to be right on all accounts. I would put in the ground to produce a thicker trunk, thats my one aim with putting in the ground. One understanding that you mentioned, I would correct for myself, in that I do not put any eggs in the basket of the ground growing tree. I move on with other things, I do buy others, I wouldn't pass up other trees, I dont wait for that tree. Its ready in a few years, and ill remember it. Thats as much faith and care I put in to it. I could make it grow even faster if I wanted to by fertilising, but I'm in no rush + dont want the added expense.
In terms of time, yes that's a constraint we put on ourselves but, you got me.. I want it faster, its true. I'm not too unreasonable! Dont get me wrong, but I do like knowing I am doing something efficiently. Its just the way I am.
To address 2 of your points, on messy roots and branches, this is true. If I wanted to correct that, i could do what people have suggested, dig the tree up every year or 2, organise the roots a bit and put back. To help with primary branches, I am in fact going to, trunk chop it whilst in the ground and keep it there. It has so much energy and vigour from ground growing that I can get a huge head start on next trunk section+primary branches+wound healing.
In my mind, and I might be wrong, as soon as I dig him up, growth is going to slow way down.
To dig the tree up, I want to have trunk chopped him and had some good growth on a new leader and head start on wound healing. Along with this, I will have an explosion of branches already, which I can select and wire (not needed much or at all on Elm but for general). Then I can give the roots a good sorting out, put in a good sized training pot. 2 more years, repot again perhaps (I would think 2 years will be enough to fill the pot with roots, given that it is a strong vigorous tree), will give me a second chance to sort roots again. At this point, should be in a really good shape
THAT'S THE PLAN! Who knows if it will work out like that.
You seem to be right on all accounts. I would put in the ground to produce a thicker trunk, thats my one aim with putting in the ground. One understanding that you mentioned, I would correct for myself, in that I do not put any eggs in the basket of the ground growing tree. I move on with other things, I do buy others, I wouldn't pass up other trees, I dont wait for that tree. Its ready in a few years, and ill remember it. Thats as much faith and care I put in to it. I could make it grow even faster if I wanted to by fertilising, but I'm in no rush + dont want the added expense.
In terms of time, yes that's a constraint we put on ourselves but, you got me.. I want it faster, its true. I'm not too unreasonable! Dont get me wrong, but I do like knowing I am doing something efficiently. Its just the way I am.
To address 2 of your points, on messy roots and branches, this is true. If I wanted to correct that, i could do what people have suggested, dig the tree up every year or 2, organise the roots a bit and put back. To help with primary branches, I am in fact going to, trunk chop it whilst in the ground and keep it there. It has so much energy and vigour from ground growing that I can get a huge head start on next trunk section+primary branches+wound healing.
In my mind, and I might be wrong, as soon as I dig him up, growth is going to slow way down.
To dig the tree up, I want to have trunk chopped him and had some good growth on a new leader and head start on wound healing. Along with this, I will have an explosion of branches already, which I can select and wire (not needed much or at all on Elm but for general). Then I can give the roots a good sorting out, put in a good sized training pot. 2 more years, repot again perhaps (I would think 2 years will be enough to fill the pot with roots, given that it is a strong vigorous tree), will give me a second chance to sort roots again. At this point, should be in a really good shape
THAT'S THE PLAN! Who knows if it will work out like that.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
That is somehow the catch 22 of this whole thing, that, the tree actually needs the attention.
That's where I bow to the Japanese, they found out a long time ago it's better to just leave them in the pot and be patient.
You're one of those cats that'll figure it out and get things done correctly.
Too many people follow things without knowing why they are, or considering other things that are going on.
I think ground growing is an excellent idea, if couple with the fact that a layer, to make the roots, is in the plan. I don't understand how the 2 steps back every year, for x amount of instances, is better than the one step back, which is collecting the tree with a new, limited root mass.
The math just isn't there. That shit is ridiculous. iMO.
The only thing I am passionate about, is having these discussions that lead to what we should actually be doing.
I was talking to the wife just yesterday about how stupid it is for people to think, that people, on an Island In the Pacific, between latitudes that only cover about an 1/8th of the world, have answers for someone in South Texas, or your island, etc.
We should begin with a clean slate.
Sorce
Forsoothe!
Imperial Masterpiece
Potato with leaves, and after only 8 years!
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
That's bizarre!
This has taught me more about trying not to BS than any other!
That is like 6.5 utterly wasted years!
Sorce
Yeah thats very true.. touching on the different climates aspect. Very true, can be applied to nearly any bonsai debate, right? Different climates, different results and different ways to achieve them.
I might have misunderstood this bit, are you saying 2 steps back is my repoting theory? Cos I wouldn't consider it a step back at all.
Well this tree is an air layer, I am hoping I wouldn't have to air layer again for good roots, as that REALLY would take much longer.. From what I see of it at the moment, its got a good gnarly base on it though. Im happy with it.
Ill share some pics.
