Unknown (to me) blue pine

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At least I think its a pine. Overall pine shape, 70cm high, new wood/shoots dirty white transitioning to brown bark as it ages, mostly singular 3cm long needles but some growing in pairs which are a bit thicker and maybe 10cm long. Overall light blue color. If I google blue pine i just get results for blue spruce, blue cedar and restaurants, hotels etc.
 

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Pinus sylvestris can be pretty blue.
I still don't know what triggers it. The more sand in the soil, and the more arid the environment, the more blue they seem to be.

In the US there's a 'french blue' cultivar. In Europe there's the watererii which is blue by default.
In the wild there are stands with a high percentage of blue needled sylvestris in some places, but I also know of populations that contain no blue at all.

I think the keyword you'd want to use is glauca or glaucous, which tends to refer to blue hues in plants.
 

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For Scots Pines - stress can couse the blueish color.
It happens to me after hard cuts/chops, new needles are much more courser and bluish in color

but this one doesnt look to me like a Scots pine, maybe Stone pine? i have some seedlings and needles looks very similar, are they hard, pointy and sharp ?
or rather soft feeling when you touch ?
 

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Stone pine is no good for bonsai. Those single needles are juvenile needles, and stone pine reverts easily to those.
 

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Stone pine is no good for bonsai. Those single needles are juvenile needles, and stone pine reverts easily to those.
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The juvenile foliage reminds me of a weed.
Every pine I check out has some downside, its a shame
 

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I will still grow mines and see what happens :)
 

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The biggest downside on stone pines is that you'll be stuck with two types of foliage for ever.
If you want single needles and blue foliage, colorado spruce is nice.
If you want double needles and blue foliage, scots pine will work.
If you want double needles, blue foliage and a double flush, look for glauca varieties of JRP.
If you want Mediterranean pines, go for halepensis. They stick with the blue needles too for some time, but they don't revert as easily.

Every pine has drawbacks and downsides, but stone pine has one of the biggest flaws aesthetically and practically speaking: you can't predict how it will behave and even if you do, you'd have to make the choice to stick with one of both types of foliage. I've spent a couple days looking into it, I had one too. If you think you can pull it off, be my guest.
 

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ahh well, i have more than 20 seedlings, i might give some of them away and keep 1 or 2 and see what happens,
They dont take much time now also i dont have high expectation from them :)
 

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The biggest downside on stone pines is that you'll be stuck with two types of foliage for ever.
If you want single needles and blue foliage, colorado spruce is nice.
If you want double needles and blue foliage, scots pine will work.
If you want double needles, blue foliage and a double flush, look for glauca varieties of JRP.
If you want Mediterranean pines, go for halepensis. They stick with the blue needles too for some time, but they don't revert as easily.

Every pine has drawbacks and downsides, but stone pine has one of the biggest flaws aesthetically and practically speaking: you can't predict how it will behave and even if you do, you'd have to make the choice to stick with one of both types of foliage. I've spent a couple days looking into it, I had one too. If you think you can pull it off, be my guest.
I just got this plant by accident, never set out for the characteristics it has

If i could choose Id take a hardy long-lived (the wood too, for potential jin etc) pine (pinus) with nice foliage. I like parviflora but they die too easily. May look into JBP but unsure about the long needles. Bouvernensis scotts pine only comes grafted. Maybe Ill try to get some true from seed short needled scotts pine varieties
 

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