ABCarve
Masterpiece
If an aged patina is considered a value added to a pot, then why, IN MOST CASES, are used pots cheaper than new?? Its not like the pot is wearing out.
Used pot value?
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Anthony
Imperial Masterpiece
Dave,
unless a pot carries a certificate from a reputable firm, it's all hogwash.
A chop can be faked and more or less everything else is talk.
Buy what you like, if you can afford it, and don't look for a re-sale.
Most of the children of the well off folk down here, just get rid of their parents' - "collectables" - as fast as they can. Anything that valuable would have certificates, and not the mumbles of some gallery owner, who has usually gone out of business, long ago.
Today, we just make our own pots, copies by using plaster of paris, or originals by hand.
It's all scams.
We can also make the tables if need be, we have the valuable woods as well - purple heart, mahogany, and many hardwoods, unknown to the outside.
Good Day
Anthony
* Wait until you get to the - valuable - venerable - Bonsai.
unless a pot carries a certificate from a reputable firm, it's all hogwash.
A chop can be faked and more or less everything else is talk.
Buy what you like, if you can afford it, and don't look for a re-sale.
Most of the children of the well off folk down here, just get rid of their parents' - "collectables" - as fast as they can. Anything that valuable would have certificates, and not the mumbles of some gallery owner, who has usually gone out of business, long ago.
Today, we just make our own pots, copies by using plaster of paris, or originals by hand.
It's all scams.
We can also make the tables if need be, we have the valuable woods as well - purple heart, mahogany, and many hardwoods, unknown to the outside.
Good Day
Anthony
* Wait until you get to the - valuable - venerable - Bonsai.
ABCarve
Masterpiece
I'm talking about the $60 new pot turning into a $10 used pot. No runs, no chips, no errors.
Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
Maybe it's easier to look it like cars:
Most used cars drop in value. Production pots often do this too...Yamaaki, Yamafusa, Shuho, etc. lots are made, and if you want the latest and greatest, you will pay more.
Vintage/collectible cars increase in value. Hand-made pots with desirable characteristics, shape, /glazes, or provenance...Tofukuji, Yusen, Kouzan, etc. likewise increase in value as they become scarcer and their collectible value increases.
$60 new pots often aren't worth $60 to begin with.
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ABCarve
Masterpiece
I guess it was the.......They don't wear out part.....cars do.
jk_lewis
Masterpiece
Pots crack, spall, break, chip, scratch.
Anthony
Imperial Masterpiece
Hee Hee,Dave,
I guess you know how I buy antiques.
To be frank, I wouldn't think much about a pot costing up to $200.00 US, probably even as much as $300.00 US.
Good Day
Anthony
I guess you know how I buy antiques.
To be frank, I wouldn't think much about a pot costing up to $200.00 US, probably even as much as $300.00 US.
Good Day
Anthony
Bonsai Nut
Nuttier than your average Nut
nathanbs
Omono
There are pots worth thousands upon thousands and plenty in the $300-1000 range
nathanbs
Omono
It's as Brian said. It's not until it's considered a classic that it begins to appreciate. Between pots and cars they both have a higher than should be MSRP, they both are worth less the minute you soil them, they are worth even less the minute you scratch, dent, or soil them some more, but then finally the supply and demand scale tips and they start coming up in value, at some point surpassing their original MSRP and going beyond in most cases
Anthony
Imperial Masterpiece
Nathan,
hmm, then I went to R.R and was offered a favour, got to skip the 10 year waiting list and the chauffeur drives it, but not my jag.
The idea being, you buy a Yi Xing made for you, and it goes to a tree, that you grew from seed some 30 years ago, and it deserves it.
A $60.00 US pot, would probably have ripples underneath from being press moulded,or drip mark from being cast or maker marks from being made on an internal or external mould.
Like disposable dishes. The cost factor probably comes from the shipping, overland.
If you grow something and are proud of it, you would most probably buy to be proud, and that could be anything you ---- like.
Not how much could I re-sell this for.
Later.
Anthony
* Got pots down here , fired and glazed soapstone [ from India ] originally meant to be used as ashtrays, and I would be very hurt if they were broken or chipped.
Memories.
hmm, then I went to R.R and was offered a favour, got to skip the 10 year waiting list and the chauffeur drives it, but not my jag.
The idea being, you buy a Yi Xing made for you, and it goes to a tree, that you grew from seed some 30 years ago, and it deserves it.
A $60.00 US pot, would probably have ripples underneath from being press moulded,or drip mark from being cast or maker marks from being made on an internal or external mould.
Like disposable dishes. The cost factor probably comes from the shipping, overland.
If you grow something and are proud of it, you would most probably buy to be proud, and that could be anything you ---- like.
Not how much could I re-sell this for.
Later.
Anthony
* Got pots down here , fired and glazed soapstone [ from India ] originally meant to be used as ashtrays, and I would be very hurt if they were broken or chipped.
Memories.
ABCarve
Masterpiece
Then why do they buy them. Something is worth what people pay....or is your statement figurative?
Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
Not figurative, just to back to the car analogy, most production-grade cars and pots are worth less than the sticker price the minute they leave the lot, but...
I recognize it's all relative, and maybe the number was arbitrary, but as bonsai pots go, $60 doesn't buy an exceptional pot. Functional and attractive, maybe, but probably as collectible as Camry.
ABCarve
Masterpiece
I'm sure that is a true statement....but...I'll bet that is 80% of what is being used and bought. I know they seem a bit disposable but I've seen so many that there is just nothing wrong with them.....$3 $10. Maybe a remnant of dead mallsai?
Nybonsai12
Masterpiece
More than likely you are right because most people wont know a collectible pot next to a non collectible pot and most won't be willing to spend big dough on a pot in the first place. My 86 Camry got me from a to b. It was my first car, it was ugly, it had 112k miles in the clock and drank a quart of oil a week. It served its purpose. As I got more into cars I got something better and special, to me. Like any passion it's a matter if how into it you are.
Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
Agreed on all counts, especially as I reread your original question in this context. No doubt there are plenty of people who buy a beginner bonsai, kill it, and are left with a pot...which is much harder to kill.
dick benbow
Omono
It's the same in the koi hobby. Buy a one year old koi the breeder says has a future, pay a goodly amount, and then for some reason in 3-4 years as koi reaches it's zenith, you need to sell it and your lucky to get a dime on the dollar. I'm down sizing now and ended up just giving mine away rather then take less for them then what they're worth. They went to friends who could appreciate them.
I collect pots. many has gone home with a tree and such a reduced price, there was no justification other than to give someone a break.
Like the car craze comments, you do it for yourself with no expectation you'll get what you put into it. nothing seems to work that way
I collect pots. many has gone home with a tree and such a reduced price, there was no justification other than to give someone a break.
Like the car craze comments, you do it for yourself with no expectation you'll get what you put into it. nothing seems to work that way
fourteener
Omono
Very few things that any of us purchase has the capacity to go up in value. I think the only thing I've bought that is worth more today than it was a decade ago is my Gibson guitar. But even then it wasn't any Gibson it was a pretty special Gibson. There are probably some bonsai pots that you could look at as an investment. But it has to do with quality, maker, rarity, desirability. If you find the right ones, buy them up and hold onto them for forty years. And don't tell anyone about them til you have cornered the market.
ABCarve
Masterpiece
Anthony
Imperial Masterpiece
Hmm,
I do wonder how many Bonsai pots out of China, as genuine antiques, were really used as pots, and not incense holders or other. Later having holes drilled for use as pots by the Japanese.
Good example I believe is the pot used for, is it the Shimpaku called - Mishi Shiba? [ See Mr. Valavanis's magazine - on Junipers ]
The problem with Luxuries, is it is the world of the Affluent and I doubt Bonsai pots, even from Tokoname or it's Mother Yi Xing, will gain in value.
But this is a hobby, and not a profession, if it were a profession, the rules would change.
Now ask me over the years, how often this type of discussion has come up- hmm
Good Day
Anthony
I do wonder how many Bonsai pots out of China, as genuine antiques, were really used as pots, and not incense holders or other. Later having holes drilled for use as pots by the Japanese.
Good example I believe is the pot used for, is it the Shimpaku called - Mishi Shiba? [ See Mr. Valavanis's magazine - on Junipers ]
The problem with Luxuries, is it is the world of the Affluent and I doubt Bonsai pots, even from Tokoname or it's Mother Yi Xing, will gain in value.
But this is a hobby, and not a profession, if it were a profession, the rules would change.
Now ask me over the years, how often this type of discussion has come up- hmm
Good Day
Anthony
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