Utah Juniper, my first yamadori!

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Looks to be an old piece of material, (obviously), so any back budding from aggressive feeding, water, sun exposure would probably be minimal if any. But I MIGHT CONSIDER THIS APPROACH FOR TWO OR THREE YEARS BEFORE I consider grafting. Damn lazy typing!!!:confused::mad::mad::mad::D:D:D:D:D

Maybe wire it out to achieve maximum photosynthesis potential?

Approach graft? Scion?;)
Pretty much all of the lower foliage and branches are exposed to the sun so I shouldn't need to wire it out. I am doubtful on good backbudding, I think grafting is the way to go.

I will be doing approach grafting. There are a lot of small whips of foliage I can wire down closer to the base. I've had a season and a half of messing around with approach grafts on hinoki and oak so my experiments there should help me out a lot grafting here.
 

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You ready?

Yesterday, I was "fighting", or whatever you call, "me having a reasonable conversation while she argues", with the Sorceress...and a thing about goals came up....

Reasonable goals.
Dated Goals. (Like growing a pumpkin for halloween)
Undated Goals. (Like growing zucchini and picking them before they are seedy)
Etc.

She is trying to buy a house in May.
A terrible decision based off emotions, and an unreasonable dated goal, which instantly becomes reasonable if left undated and we wait one more year till my youngest is in school full time, and we can both work full time.

She said..."I don't give a fuck if we get evicted from here..."
Needn't go any further to see how the goal of owning a house, on any set time line, is highly unreasonable when getting evicted puts so many things out of our control.

I told her it is like having a goal to make an excellent dinner on the daily schedule set for 5pm.
But also having "throw out all the food" on the schedule at around 2pm.

Without removing that 2pm goal, or adding a 3pm goal to go to the store....
You can't accomplish the Main goal of making an excellent dinner.

Somehow that is the same thing going on with this endeavor.
(No doubt in your excitement to have such a dope ass tree)

That excitement is your emotion if there is one.

Hmmmm....
In thinking about it....
This is what I Know.

That excitement is what created this scenario.

I know you are dedicated enough to overcome these "issues" in time....

But in an effort to exploit the necessity of FASTER, FURTHER, FUTURE VISION.....

lets talk about these contradictions....

Or possible contradictions.

I keep reading Shohin....
But if the root spread is at the bottom of what was that 6-8in pot....it's near impossible.
It doesn't matter yet, it may lend itself to something else.

Let's leave....
We don't know what the base is doing yet.
Right out their in every thought.

Being that so much depends on what the base does, we haven't reached step one.
"Empty your cup" of steps 3-5 for now!

Anything I can imagine going on below what is exposed now isn't going to change this fact for me....

The split section and resulting DW and jins is very large.
Bringing foliage closer to it is going to make it visually larger. Too large IMO, to convey a small tree.

Being that the gold in these here yamadori is to utilize all that DW....

I would consider starting foliage pads up there away from the DW, to make it visually smaller, and lessin the need to reduce it.

Something about celebrating this American Yamadori, making it something the Japanese want, not something they already have.....:confused:.....

Some thoughts....

As Lance said, there is more or less 2 sections.

I think the biggest difficulty with this tree, is going to be making that split, that "event ", look more like a full size event..

As it is...it looks like a Shrub that got ran over by a 4x4.

Is tearing this down the center for a 2fer out of the question?

It seems some jins need deleting....

I love that one that curves back in....
But hate how it....curves back in!

The pointy Bulls horn looking one in the back seems the most fitting for the tree in my goggles.

Don't know if this ends well as I have to go....
But this is a great thinker and I still can't believe summer is over! So close!

If keeping as one....
I love this bit of angle change and.... 20170831_053034.jpg

Slight right DW REDUCTION....

if you can successfully get that right foliage moving left with that jin.....pimp!

Sorce
 

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Ok... further....

I absolutely love that you are keeping the Bleu foliage!

If I think graft closer, My mind goes to here...
This green... 20170831_070414.jpg

But I don't see dropping it down thru the jins...
Or keeping it above the jins.
Maybe reduce the jins but sure can't cut em off!

So why graft close?

For me...

As expressed 1. As the base which could be lower....
2. Breathe.
3. Feature.
4 breathe.
5 canopy. 20170831_070629.jpg

This allows for a dynamic in and out of the compositions silhouette, as Ryan discusses in creating a dynamic canopy silhouette. Same principles.

You see how all those jins up the left are at the same angle?
For me....
After event, all those trunks attempted and failed.
And that current one survived...
Survived long enough to have its branches brought down into a tree.

That first branch to the right....keeper for me...iffin it could be made to go left, preferably by twisting the entire trunk clockwise.

Figure 6 years to grow into this design...
But we ain't waiting for grafts.
And grafts for me...being not 100%...kinda iffy.
I like my goals 100%

I think grafting this any closer to the DW is gonna leave you with a shitty green mushroom!

I don't see a branching that will work sooooooo close to those jins....
I imagine squiggling down thru them would make no sense....
Keeping them straight would be uninteresting.

I feel like the further away from the jins you get your canopy, the more options you have in creating your branching and canopy.

Ah... this is a beaut sorry I got nothing else to think about!

Sorce
 
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I live less than five miles from Jeff's nursery. It's always a good time to go an walk around and look at the yamadori he gets in. I have purchased a few trees from them. will definitely be a repeat customer. I totally agree, everyone should check out The Hidden Gardens, in Willowbrook, IL.
 
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Very nice material, love the native foliage, almost a shame to lose it
I don't plan on losing it! This is just material I can't get my hands on very often. I will sacrifice the scale (proportion) but in turn get beautiful native foliage. I am grafting, but by redirecting whips of native foliage so it will stay the same. I think after compacting everything it will still turn out to be a very nice tree.
 

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I don't plan on losing it! This is just material I can't get my hands on very often. I will sacrifice the scale (proportion) but in turn get beautiful native foliage. I am grafting, but by redirecting whips of native foliage so it will stay the same. I think after compacting everything it will still turn out to be a very nice tree.
Oh I missed that, carry on!
 

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I don't plan on losing it! This is just material I can't get my hands on very often. I will sacrifice the scale (proportion) but in turn get beautiful native foliage. I am grafting, but by redirecting whips of native foliage so it will stay the same. I think after compacting everything it will still turn out to be a very nice tree.
Julian--very nice material. Popped over to your blog. Well done. Lynn
 

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Oh don't see it in my phone
yah, right.
Try turning your phone 90deg, into landscape mode; else I guess you will need to click on 'bleumeon' under his avitar, then 'profile page' and select the info tab or something similar.
 
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