Very corky American elm?

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I ran across this at the beach today. It appears to be an American elm, at least by the leaf. But the corking is extravagant! Never seen any corky elm like it. Is this something unique or have I just not seen enough elms?
 

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definitely a winged elm
 
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Ulmus minor, aka Smooth Leaf Elm. Not native to the U.S., but quite common in Europe.

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I have both Eastern Winged Elm and Cedar Elm, and this tree looks nothing like either :)
The plot thickens. I have seen these in the wild in Kansas. Damn elms get into everything.
 

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The plot thickens. I have seen these in the wild in Kansas. Damn elms get into everything.

Apparently they are relatively well established in the U.S., though scattered and not so common. Once you plant them in an arboretum somewhere, they start getting out and about :)
 

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Ulmus minor, aka Smooth Leaf Elm. Not native to the U.S., but quite common in Europe.

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I have both Eastern Winged Elm and Cedar Elm, and this tree looks nothing like either :)
Out in the woods near my home there are Winged and Cedar Elm. I cant tell which is which but there are Elms with different appearances. Some do look like the one in the original post. On the other hand、 it just be what @Bonsai Nut ID'd.
 

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well damn, my friend has that tree in his yard and he's been calling it winged elm. That's not the first time he's sent me in the wrong direction.
 

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Cedar elm wings:

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Winged elm wings:



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U. minor cork:

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I can't comment on what is growing in your area, but maybe you have some U. minor growing there? Who knows? Take a photo next time you are in the neighborhood! FWIW, U. minor also has different looking leaves - much rounder - versus both cedar elm and winged elm have narrower, longer leaves.
 
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New plan, everyone in this thread collect your local elms and then we'll start a new thread and bnut can identify all of them while we train them.
 

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New plan, everyone in this thread collect your local elms and then we'll start a new thread and bnut can identify all of them while we train them.

LOL no way. Given their genetic diversity and ability to hybridize, I assume there are probably a near-infinite number :) Cork/wing varieties are at least more limited, but I've been trying to collect variegated cultivars of Chinese elms and there are quite a few... In fact I have no idea how many.
 
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Oh well, it was worth a shot.

I am interested to get your opinion. I have prepped several on my parents land that I'm confused on, and plan to collect next year or the year after. They do have the beginnings of "winged" bark, but I suck at elm identifying.
 

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Ulmus minor, aka Smooth Leaf Elm. Not native to the U.S., but quite common in Europe.

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I have both Eastern Winged Elm and Cedar Elm, and this tree looks nothing like either :)
I believe I bought a seedling of this elm(Suberosa) a cork bark. It is a slow grower, but corks up nicely.
 

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I believe I bought a seedling of this elm(Suberosa) a cork bark. It is a slow grower, but corks up nicely.

I have a variegated cultivar of this - Ulmus minor 'Actinia variegata' but to be honest it is only a two year old sapling at this point, and has not shown any corking of any kind yet.

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All elms have asymmetrical leaf bases to one degree or another. It is a characteristic of the whole genus Ulmus.

Better pic of leaf base
 

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BN's pics of Ulmus minor look exactly like the one I'm drooling over. The leaf still looks like American elm to me, but I suppose the leaf may not be diagnostic, or it could have hydridized. Any way you look at it, it's not native to an Alameda beach. Maybe I can talk my way into collecting it someday.
 
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