What to do with 18 young Azaleas

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9 pots. Two cuttings to a pot. 18 in total. Yes. A christmas present to myself, as I do not have Japanese azaleas.

Now.. They were sold to me as being the variety "Asuka" which leads me to believe a variety of colours of flowers on the same tree. I have not seen these flower, so .. Not sure.

Now for some experienced input.. Grow them as single-whip leaders removing all side-branches for a bit or as big a bush as I can possibly imagine? What would for Azalea be the appropriate route? As these are basally dominant, I am unsure :)



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I did do little housekeeping on them, thinning cluster of branches:
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It seems like an odd time of year to be working these azaleas. Are they going in a greenhouse or coldframe?
 

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Are you styling them all individually as there own tree? Or doing a clump or forest?
 

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If you do a bush with some you can probably have a nice broom style tree in <10 years, growing as whips is a loooooong term project, from what I understand.

@Deep Sea Diver still around??
 

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If they are indeed Asuka, then they will have large flowers, large leaves and generally fast-growing.
In Japan, these are almost exclusively used as meika style flower display plants, aka flower towers.
You can obverse their degree of basal dominance from their current branch structure.

The leaves if this variety will make it more challenging to make some form of bunjin-like or maple-like tall and thin branches reaching for the sky bonsai.
These require very refined branching and styling as well as trunk movement. And that benefits from smaller leaves and a less coarse growth behavior.
For this reason, a higher quality type broom-style will be challenging.
But if your broom-style in practice basically comes down to a dome shape covered with flowers, hiding most of the trunk and the branching, that will work.
Showing refined internal broom branching will be hard.

As for a fat trunk, that is an extremely long term project. Especially in the western European climate.

Maybe the best options are two tall twin trunks. Or even a group planting, since you have so many.
This will be some wiring challenge, because likely you'd want some flowering bends in these trunks.
Not just a change of direction at the node.

Regardless of your final plan, come spring you are probably best off trying to prune to prevent reverse taper.
I believe there will already be too old to wire. But you can try to get some movement by selective pruning.
Long term and with a fat tapering trunk, I'd actually say that the very abrupt direction change looks better than a gradual flowing bend put in by wire. But the challenge is to get the ratios of the length of each section right, as per usual bonsai rules.
And maybe you'd want to use wire to try to make the change of direction a bit more extreme than currently.
 

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Ok I'm going to go way out there. How about a forest planting on a raised rock slab? I've been developing some Chinese elms to do exactly that.
 

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Well, thanks @Glaucus for the info. I was just lurking, but funny enough, I recently bought this tall Asuka to add to my inventory. I did find to see the leaves are bigger than I’d like them to be, but those flowers look amazing. Planning on repotting it next month in pure kanuma and ask the local bonsai society in regard of styling aesthetics.
 

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Here are my two bits.

Asuka is a really nice early blooming azalea. It does have larger flowers or leaves, so plan to create a larger design…

It is a bit early to wire these, but definitely ok to prune…. use cut paste (I use Top Jin) to prevent desiccations… leave some growth on each stem for now. At least until you have worked with the cultivar and understand it. Some cultivars resent drastic pruning, even when young.. and sulk…It only gets worse as these plants age.

I use two approaches for styling. The first is to prune all but minor branches to a central stem and wire straight if possible. One can certainly wire curves, but that will slow the growth and the curves will be out of scale. Then grow as quick as you can, pruning off all side branches as they form. It takes 2-3 years to get a decent size whip and it’s to protect these as one wants to grow the whip as tall and fast as possible. This image below shows some 2nd and 3rd year whips in the background.

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The second is clip and grow aided by wire.

Often I’ll take the cuttings and grow these into whips… the best of two worlds.

I’ve wired literally hundreds of azaleas this size…. With a couple caveats. Wire once the azaleas have pushed and the sap is flowing well. Overwrite a bit. You will soon get a feel for it with all your experience. The biggest I usually use for the size shown is 2 mm aluminum nowadays.

From what I can see with the photos you posted, These likely can be wired and styled…. carefully… unless Asuka is one of the really hard wood types like Momo no Haru. I think this is unlikely as the big flower tower cultivars are chosen for speed of growth, durability and flexibility.

Just a couple thoughts.

Goods Luck!
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Here are my two bits.

Asuka is a really nice early blooming azalea. It does have larger flowers or leaves, so plan to create a larger design…

It is a bit early to wire these, but definitely ok to prune…. use cut paste (I use Top Jin) to prevent desiccations… leave some growth on each stem for now. At least until you have worked with the cultivar and understand it. Some cultivars resent drastic pruning, even when young.. and sulk…It only gets worse as these plants age.

I use two approaches for styling. The first is to prune all but minor branches to a central stem and wire straight if possible. One can certainly wire curves, but that will slow the growth and the curves will be out of scale. Then grow as quick as you can, pruning off all side branches as they form. It takes 2-3 years to get a decent size whip and it’s to protect these as one wants to grow the whip as tall and fast as possible. This image below shows some 2nd and 3rd year whips in the background.

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The second is clip and grow aided by wire.

Often I’ll take the cuttings and grow these into whips… the best of two worlds.

I’ve wired literally hundreds of azaleas this size…. With a couple caveats. Wire once the azaleas have pushed and the sap is flowing well. Overwrite a bit. You will soon get a feel for it with all your experience. The biggest I usually use for the size shown is 2 mm aluminum nowadays.

From what I can see with the photos you posted, These likely can be wired and styled…. carefully… unless Asuka is one of the really hard wood types like Momo no Haru. I think this is unlikely as the big flower tower cultivars are chosen for speed of growth, durability and flexibility.

Just a couple thoughts.

Goods Luck!
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Hi, can you help me understand what the purpose or appeal of making these azalea whips as straight as possible is? Everything that I know of bonsai so far is that movement and taper is what’s most desirable. Why might you want something so straight and taperless on an azalea? Thank you
 

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Hi, can you help me understand what the purpose or appeal of making these azalea whips as straight as possible is? Everything that I know of bonsai so far is that movement and taper is what’s most desirable. Why might you want something so straight and taperless on an azalea? Thank you
They won't always be straight, but that is how one grows an informal upright style azalea bonsai. They are basal dominant so the height is grown first then filled in. They do not grow with a "leader" as apical dominant species do.

It is a multi-decade process to grow them this way, the taper and thickness comes over time.
 

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The basic Japanese way to train satsuki is through whips:
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They are not trained to be straight. The nursery grows them as tall as possible. Then the customer can wire them upon buying. The grower does the hard work to try to grow them as fast and tall as possible. And the customer can immediately design on a trunk shape. After that, because of basal dominance, the customer no longer has to worry about the lack of apical dominance, because the entire bare bones of the final design is already there.
If you are interested in flower display satsuki, you are generally also interested in the newest varieties. And these plants are of course going to be very young.
So you get to buy 2 year old plants, and most specialist growers sell these as 'whips'.
If the nursery grower doesn't prioritize growing it very tall as fast as possible, you get multitrunked plants like Leatherback has, where it will be almost impossible to put movement in the bottom part when the top part hasn't evne grown yet, relative to these whips. (though Leatherback's plants seem to have been selectively pruned at least a little bit).

Here is actually an example where the instructor used wire to demonstrate the ideal position of future branches using wire:
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As you can see, most of the time you want the branches to slope downward. A broom style would be very different, and is also possible.
I have more pictures and examples of many styles and all common varieties, all from Japanese sources.

Note that most of these become flower display satsuki.

Note that an untrained satsuki, even when pruned to be single trunked, is never completely straight. Once a new shoot starts to grow in spring, it will always come out at an angle relative to the current trunk.
So if you actually want to go for a formal upright chokkan bonsai, you actually have a bit of a challenge.

To make clear my point on wiring and getting back to Leatherback's plants, it will not be so easy to get a meaningful bend in the first section of these.
You will have to work with the bend that is already there for the transition to the new growing season. In the Japanese whip example, these sections can be 40cm long. In Leatherback's plants, maybe it is 10cm?

Therefore, I do think you would want to wire when spring comes. And try to work with the bends created at the grow nodes, and make them more extreme. And then maybe add an actual flowing bend in the straight sections of the newest growth.
Because the flowers are large, getting it to be fall is the number 1 goal, I would say.

@AnutterBonsai picture shows how the Japanese would train a Asuka. And at that point you basically want to strengthen the foliage pads, make them tighter, more refined and without gaps. And just display the flowers.
Of course, you'd also work to improve the nebari every repot. And after enough years, you may want to redesign. And if you really want to get a fat trunk, you need to field grow them for several decades.


With young plants, I think the easiest way to get a stylized bonsai with character is to go 2 or 3 trunks. Then, the trunks can be very thing, but the overall plant can have a lot of character.
If you are really skilled and dedicated at wiring, you can make it very impressive fast. Field-growing an azalea for 30+ years to get a fat trunk isn't really possible. Especially not since the growth rate of satsuki seems to be about half of what it is is in Japan if you live in the Netherlands or Germany.
 
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Whips are the simplest way to create a primary structure to style an azalea. Whips are normally grown from cuttings. This makes them easier to grow straight from the gitgo.

Why are azalea whips grown as straight as possible? Each bend in the whip creates uneven growth in that area making it just a bit harder to bend. Each growth junction in the whip creates a misalignment of the cells in that area. These sections can break easier under the stress of bending. Growing sideways also wastes time.

Ideally azalea whips are kept growing year around to avoid growth junctions and staked up as needed. Ideally whips are also kept out of the wind, to avoid bending back and forth and stressing the roots, which slow growth and can thicken the lower trunk area,.

Sounds picky? It’s all a matter of degree, looking for that extra edge to make things easier to develop the primary structure.

Growing a heritage azalea like the Japanese do takes years.

This doesn’t mean one has to take years to create a large azalea bonsai. That’s about playing the long game straight and simple. The reason I’ve been developing whips is that I wantEd to learn how to grow azaleas from the ground up.

…yet one could just put out the big bucks and buy a big tree and practice learning how to take care on an expensive bonsai azalea… not a bad idea if you are of an age. If not, we’ll you have a choice

Generally creating a bonsai from a nursery azalea will take 5 years to get a decent structure and 10 years to get it looking good…. that’s not from me, but John Naka, Richard Ota etc in Bonsai Techniques.

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