Will Heath and the Mysterious Case of Disappearing Pots

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However, he seems got my message as he replied me on 21st as the attached file by saying ..” I will do whatever you want, of course, but shipping all these cases of pots will be expensive, but you already know that”. Then I reminded him again with my reply on the same day…
But the question is why he never want to give me the sales report and confirm he will send me back the stock..instead..he insist to continue to sell the pots ?????

Next might be the explaination…..

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Let’s see what he will do…I will keep hunting him…..:rolleyes:

Robert, we don't know each other, but may I offer you some advise? Don't keep hunting him.

In the USA we have a collection of African American folk tales called the Uncle Remus stories, among which the most famous is the story of Tar Baby. You can find it on-line. It might help you to read it and give it some thought, because certain people are Tar Babies.

No good will come from further efforts and contacts with a Tar Baby. You can't win. But you can walk away and not let things get any messier.

You have told your story. That's probably all you can do without getting more and more embroiled in a Tar Baby's pathology, getting more and more of his sickness all over your being.

Just cut your losses and let it go, and realize you learned a valuable lesson and were fortunate enough to walk away with only superficial wounds - perhaps to your pride and to your faith in your fellow man, and to your bank account, but nothing more serious than that. Nothing vital. Nothing time can't heal.

You REALLY don't want to "see what he will do," and you REALLY don't want to "keep hunting him". You REALLY can't win. Just walk away. Let it go. Ignore him entirely, even if he tries to draw you back in. Work on your trees. Spend your time with those you love. In time you'll forget it ever happened.
 
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This might be the explaination :
- The reason why he never want to give me the sales report and send me back the pots is that he had sold more than the 250 pots he could ship out, and he cannot pay me the money for whatever the reason. For this, I had been offering him my understanding and my help if he was in personal financial problem; but he never responded to my good will.
- The more reasonable reason why he pretends his goodwill and still insist to “help” me to sell the remaining stock is that he tries to set me up !
Imaging if I agree on his proposal…I cleaned up his name announcing that our problem is solved as he requested…announce that people can continue to order by sending the payment directly to me and he will ship the order… But then he will not ship out (this is very very very possible !!!)… Ops ! .. Then next will be fully my responsibility…
I will be dumb like nut..and he will be laughing like hell…..

Will, you read this post or not..but please listen to me very carefully…
Go to hell with your proposal ! I don’t need you to continue to sell the pots, money is not my problem and I did this project not for money. Once again, keep your f’- mouth shut, simply ship to whom suppose to receive the shipment, give me the sales report and send me back the pots on my expenses…. I may not be very clever to have deal with you , but I am not that dumb like you could fool those under-aged girls in your porn crime case…got me ???
 
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Thanks for your advise Grouper. I appreciate to everyone who have given their concern...

Bonsai regards !
 

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Elementary my dear Watson.

First, it is his M.O. He has done this at the other bonsai websites he has been banned from.

Second, Dudley aka Will Heath joined up right after he was banned and his first and only post was to come into this thread to defend Will Heath.

Third, I think he has already used that name and the IP addy was found to come from his neck of the woods by the owner of the now defucnt Bonsai Talk website. He was found to hold entire conversations with himself using a handful of names in several threads. It was quite amusing and strange at the same time.
 
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I can feel it Pine...what ashame on him.

For those who don't know what he is, try this..search on Google " William J Heath child sexually abusive "......
 
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After all..his latest post on his blog saying :

Like a highway car accident, seems even internet debates can attract its fair share of gawkers. This week has seen a huge amount of traffic coming in mainly to check out the continuing conflict over Robert Stevens pots and the resulting fiasco.

I have noticed the subject discussed on at least four bonsai forums and I even saw a thread titled “lies-i-tells-yous-lies” on the moderator board over at bonsaistudygroup, for crying out loud, even a few visits came from the chat room there. People just love a train wreck, lol!”


...and......

“Yes, I have an attitude, I wonder why?

Why won’t I return them? Read my words above about spending my own money once again on your pots, I just barely got reimbursed and I am going in the hole again to ship out your generous donations, get real Robert.


...has proved his sickness and confirmed he will not pay me and return the pots to me. Clear enough...

To a phyco criminal by born who can live as a cheap crook...whatelse can we do ? I will try to find the Tar Baby story as suggested by Groupe....:D:D:D
 
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This might be the explaination :
- The reason why he never want to give me the sales report and send me back the pots is that he had sold more than the 250 pots he could ship out, and he cannot pay me the money for whatever the reason. For this, I had been offering him my understanding and my help if he was in personal financial problem; but he never responded to my good will.
- The more reasonable reason why he pretends his goodwill and still insist to “help” me to sell the remaining stock is that he tries to set me up !
Imaging if I agree on his proposal…I cleaned up his name announcing that our problem is solved as he requested…announce that people can continue to order by sending the payment directly to me and he will ship the order… But then he will not ship out (this is very very very possible !!!)… Ops ! .. Then next will be fully my responsibility…
I will be dumb like nut..and he will be laughing like hell…..

Will, you read this post or not..but please listen to me very carefully…
Go to hell with your proposal ! I don’t need you to continue to sell the pots, money is not my problem and I did this project not for money. Once again, keep your f’- mouth shut, simply ship to whom suppose to receive the shipment, give me the sales report and send me back the pots on my expenses…. I may not be very clever to have deal with you , but I am not that dumb like you could fool those under-aged girls in your porn crime case…got me ???

Robert what a shit situation this has been for you. I read the recent statements. If all electronic means of comunication was not avialable there was always snail mail. Although if need be I am sure I could find a way to get some info out even in Wills stated sad story.
I felt sure there was something fishy why he would not just send the pots back to you at your cost instead of this grand plan that states all to your benefit.
Being a newbee like Will I at first I enjoyed his fresh outlook and debating skill but soon found reading between the lines at what was not said, said the most.
Once you colerate all the gabble,
There is insinuation he him self is out of Pocket yet he also states that what has been sold "I just barely got reimbursed" So why not just send the pots back at Roberts cost?
Because he will then be out of pocket for postage costs of the donated pots to AOB. Wow how inconsiderate of you Robert!
For something he was not keen on doing in the first place that has turned to crap any sane person would say here take the pots Robert, AOB these where donated to the site we need to cover costs of postage. I am sure any Bonsai Forum worth any thing would find a way to resolve an issue conected to a contest they ran. Or be a real prick and send all the pots back at Robert's cost and tell him to send out the pots he donated.
Yet Will wants to hold onto the pots because he insinuates he will have to pay postage costs of at least some of the 8 donated pots.

You are very right in being wary of getting dragged in deeper Robert. I would say send pots back at your cost and start from there.
I might even buy one of you if that happened just to help out this crappy situation. :)

How about this quote from Will's Blog.
I am a salesman. Lol, what should I have said
Um? the truth Who returns to a salesman that is loose with the truth. Bend the truth once, bend the truth a hundred times. Same thing the deal is off.
 
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Is this what you're talking about?

[EDIT] Please leave this content out of the site, thanks. We are not talking about a person's personal life. We are talking about bonsai pots. -BNut [/EDIT]
 
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BORING!

Come on guys, certainly there has to be something new to vilify this man with?

Chris Johnston brought these 14 year old charges up 5 years ago, our own Harry brought them up on this very forum about a year ago, this horse has been beat to death, everyone knows, it's old hat and in my opinion, a low blow by Robert.

I'm guessing Bnut's request not to beat a guy who can no longer defend himself on this forum carries no weight?

I'm just saying....
 
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The Loser with Many Faces (or The Loser of No Face) is coming back..haha...:D:D:D

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In conclusion, if you judge someone by their actions and not their words, there is nothing more to be said.

Therefore I am going to close this thread. If there is something new relative to this issue being resolved (in action, not in words), feel free to open another thread. However if it is more ranting and raving about the same situation I will delete the thread.

Thank you for understanding.
 
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