Wilting Dilemma

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My little escambron has been wilty for the last month or so. It's not under-watering, or else it would perk up after it was watered. I don't think over-watering is the problem either. Yesterday, I noticed my newly leafed out bougie was also wilting. Same dilemma, watering did not perk the leaves back up, so it wasn't too dry. I watered today with some peroxide in the water, in case it may be a root problem. I just don't know what is causing this suddenly. The leaves are not dried out or crispy, just droopy. Any ideas of what is causing this, would be appreciated. Apologize, for the crummy pictures. wilted bougie.jpgwilted escambron.jpg
 

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Did they get cold?
 

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Did they get cold?
Nope, they're inside. The coldest it gets is 64 during the day when we're at work. They are by my patio doors, but it's been fairly mild for January here.
 

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Cat?
That new one is at the office though right?

Pretty sure it ain't some odd root problem, as you've been fine and getting better.

What else changed?
New soil component?
New fert?

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How many times wintered in these same conditions by you?
 

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How many times wintered in these same conditions by you?

Enough to know that isn't the problem for sure.

Except the conditions we can't change like, they HAVE probly been feeling like it's been summer recently.

Now, the solstice and it gets darker and gloomier.
Which would be odd for them right?

That's all I can come up with.

Or cats.

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Carol,

on our side the Bougainvillea sleeps from Christmas until the end
of May [ dry season - no rain ] no or few leaves. Our escambron is
from Barbados, a possible native and would be more Tropical.

Check and see where your escambron comes from.
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Carol,

on our side the Bougainvillea sleeps from Christmas until the end
of May [ dry season - no rain ] no or few leaves. Our escambron is
from Barbados, a possible native and would be more Tropical.

Check and see where your escambron comes from.
Best to you,
Anthony

That's kind a what I was hinting at.

Like it has more closely acclimated to it's orogins this year, making what is happening now, naturally natural.
Rather than the usual "bonsai natural".

This year has been warm.
And up here at least, when it's been cold, we've had a bit of snow cover to seal the sills, so drafts have been less, keeping it warmer indoors.

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Cat?
That new one is at the office though right?

Pretty sure it ain't some odd root problem, as you've been fine and getting better.

What else changed?
New soil component?
New fert?

Sorce
We do have a cat, but she's too fat and lazy to bother the trees. They're both at home in a southern exposure. No changes as far as soil or fertilizer.
 

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How many times wintered in these same conditions by you?
I've overwintered my tropical's in the exact same place since winter of 2016.
 
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Carol,

on our side the Bougainvillea sleeps from Christmas until the end
of May [ dry season - no rain ] no or few leaves. Our escambron is
from Barbados, a possible native and would be more Tropical.

Check and see where your escambron comes from.
Best to you,
Anthony
We had a severe cold snap early here, so everything had to come in the first week in October. The bougies all threw their leaves down in disgust, as usual after coming inside. That doesn't concern me, happens every year. The are all acclimated inside now and putting on new leaves, which is what disturbs me about the sudden wilting of this one. None of the others are behaving the same way. I believe the escambron is originally from Puerto Rico.
 

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That early snow has everything screwed up.

I feel like the leaves are odd looking because the change was abrupt.
But they will likely just drop and come back.

How long has it been since you've had a grumpy customer?

Is this the same? Only further into the year?

I'd try to figure of it the "beginning" or "end" of a dormancy cycle, to know what they want now.

But, they're gonna get what they get anyway!
They'll figure it out!

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That early snow has everything screwed up.
It sure did. The bougies are all pretty much "grumpy customers", they resent coming in at first. But once they start leafing out again, they do fine until spring when they can go back out. So it's the wilting of the new growth, that is concerning.
 

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Though watering may be the same, perhaps root growth this year was different, leading to a soggier than usual situation, since there may not be the roots to uptake the water?

Or the top to transpire it?

The wilting of new for me is a sign of overwatering or pests.

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Wilting is also a sign of root damage.
Most of all, trees do rest.
For us it is Christmas to February.

We also know that when the humidity is at 50ish, there
must be a light watering in the evening.

Addtionally in the tropics when something comes from
above 3000 feet it follows sub-tropical rules.
Check the Caribbean islands for hill heights.
At more than 3000 feet it is temperate rules.

Tierra Caliente, Tierra Templada, Tierra Fria.
Good Day
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The wilting of new for me is a sign of overwatering or pests.
Wilting is also a sign of root damage.
My first thoughts as well. I let the bougie dry pretty well before watering. Learned the hard way they can take pretty much, except too much water. The escambron is new to me since last summer, so I just water as I do the others. They have't been recently repotted or jarred to damage the roots, but I did water the last time with some peroxide in the water, in case something funky is going on in the soil. I appreciate the feedback guys. If I lived somewhere tropical, this inside stuff wouldn't be an issue. I'm still working on that...;)
 
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